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Old 09-30-2011, 04:51 PM
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Hi Everyone,

First of all, I am so happy to have found this forum! I believe that hearing everyone's story gave me the strength to try Baclofen myself.

A bit about me... I have been using marijuana alcoholically for 12+ years now. What I mean by that is I smoke approximately 5 puffs 10x/day. I try not to spend any part of the day sober. But as you might know, it is easier to function on pot compared to other drugs. Good and bad... I mean, I can be high in basically any situation without 99% of people knowing. But a functioning stoner I am not! I have moved from job to job, constantly underachieving. So, about a year ago, I got sober for about 10 months, attending Marijuana Anonymous meetings about 2x/week. I had a sponsor and worked the steps for a bit, but I never felt like a part of the group (nor did I want to be- I love my friends that I have and do not want to swap them). This Fourth of July weekend, I broke down and smoked at a music festival. Since then, I have been smoking weed at the same rate as before. But I have hid it from everyone (including my live-in girlfriend), making my life such a lonely pit of deception and depression.

I live in a state where I can drive down the street and have 5 medical marijuana dispensaries to choose from, which adds to the difficulty in quitting. A blessing and a curse!

I would like to add my experiences on baclofen. I know there is not much in the way of studies that can prove baclofen's effectiveness on marijuana cessation, but I am willing to share how it worked for me. Hopefully, some others with marijuana dependency issues join me (or already have).

To those that feel marijuana is not addictive and that I should not be posting here, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Please just move on to the next post, because there are bound to be stoners out there that want another way out. Sorry to have to be preemptive about this one, but I have experienced negativity from a small number of alcoholics at AA meetings, and I hope to not experience the same here.

I am working with Dr. L via phone, and I highly recommend you get in touch with him if you are unable to get baclofen from your doctor. It is reassuring to know you have a professional monitoring you indirectly, and I have found baclofen for really cheap at Costco... My first prescription for (72) 20mg pills was under $11!!! Once again, Costco pays dividends!! The pharmacist had no issue calling Dr L, and she even typed out the entire titration schedule on the bottle.

Since I just took my first dose a few hours ago, I will say that I don't feel a whole lot differently, maybe a little euphoric in a spacey way. I will keep you posted later on today and hopefully daily after that (via this thread).

Once again, thank you to everyone that has shared on this forum. It is so important to help get the word out. I am praying for all of you, along with myself, for success on your baclofen journey!

Greg
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hey thanks greg. what a lovely post. welcome to a blessed place. we're mostly very cool here. please don't be put off by the negative vitriol that's being flung about at the moment on some of the threads here; it's temporary and is not typical.

i love that you had the courage to start this thread, and to start the baclofen. i hope it works for you, and i bet it will. clearly it's already working its magic, as you report that spacey euphoric feeling. enjoy that! for some it lasts a long time. i think i still have it most days at 190 mg. oh that reminds me, i'd better go take a pill...

ok. so, i smoke my share of ganja, too. usually a toke or two in the evening, though lately that has increased. i definitely do not experience a cessation of craving for that fine flower, but i am not trying to do that. i've been kicking the booze in the gut. in fact, smoking has often saved me from over-drinking. something about how it gets me back into my body, and happily in my head. (i hope i'm not making you want to smoke.) i still think that bac could work for your issue. it's what you put your mind to, i believe. and, it was originally found hopeful for cocaine, so...

anywhoot, welcome! please do keep us posted.

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The whole theory behind Baclofen (Please be clear I am in no way a doctor) is that it works on the calming part of your brain and allows your brain to relax without resorting to outside chemicals. I think anything can be addictive if you relax after taking it / eating it / shooting it in your arm. For me, it felt like I was ALWAYS anxious about everything and alcohol was the magic pill I needed to relax. I am now trying to retrain my brain through baclofen that the alcohol is not necessary.

I do not see why this method wouldn't work with another substance, but I have no medical experience and I would call Dr. L and run it past him. What did he say when you mentioned marijuana?

And yes, I am one of those AA people who might have looked at you funny if you said marijuana is addictive. I, like all of them, don't walk in your shoes and welcome aboard. And Rudy is correct, I think it was originally found to be helpful with crack smoking -- I think the guy had MS and was an addict and that is how the connection was made.

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I think this is a great thread and of much possible help to many.

Please keep us updated and many wishes for success to you.

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Rudy- No worries... I am still smoking and will work to cut back and back until I hopefully hit the "switch". Yeah, that's how I think of it... Baclofen will work for you if you have a serious desire to quit or want a level of usage where you feel comfortable. For me, I am not sure if I want to quit completely or scale it back drastically. There seems to be some issues going on, but to be honest, it is pretty tame compared to the trolls I have encountered in other forums. I hope that everyone takes a deep breath, a step back... Take your fights to the PM's.
Rob- I am in contact with Dr. L, and he has experienced success in patients like myself (in the few he has encountered). That is a major reason for posting my experience/success/SE's. Let's see how this drug works with other substances. Let's see how it works with other addictions, i.e. gambling, food, sex... I appreciate your openness in receiving me as a pothead- It makes sense, you must have an open mind to even get to these forums and try baclofen.
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Thanks Cindi... I am praying for success for me and the many many stoners out there who are sick of being stoners. And wow, 10,000 posts?? Sounds like you have a bunch of advice to get out there... I would be glad to receive any advice you may have for me during this exciting/nervous time. Glad to meet you!!
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good god, greg! you could be the pioneer for potheads! you could be their poster child, as they all sit buttoned up nice and corporate in front of you as you lecture from the podium about how bac saved your back. imagine it, it just might happen if you do!

glad you're not finding what i won't call infighting off-putting.

and that decision to abstain or go normal is a good one to let hang in the balance for now. you'll come to know what you need to know. (i'm partial, and feel a bit sheepish, but will go ahead and suggest that you stay very open to moderation. why cause pain for yourself if you don't need to? and besides, stoners tend to drive more slowly than any others, so rarely cause car accidents or make pain for the common good.)

this'll be fun!
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Thanks Cindi... I am praying for success for me and the many many stoners out there who are sick of being stoners. And wow, 10,000 posts?? Sounds like you have a bunch of advice to get out there... I would be glad to receive any advice you may have for me during this exciting/nervous time. Glad to meet you!!
I have been here for awhile -- she says with chagrin. I am glad to dispense advice but understand this is one alcoholic who has gotten worse and worse in the last couple of years.

However, I am truly hoping Baclofen helps with your dependency.

I agree with Ruby at this point, don't try to make a decision as to abstinence or moderation. Just put one foot in front of the other and try to make life better. Period.

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Greg, just want to welcome you to MWO and let you know that I too am glad you started this thread.

I know exactly what you are talking about in terms of the addictive properties of MJ. <---giving away my age there, perhaps.... My husband was extremely pot dependent and it was very difficult for him to stop. I am the alkie of the family - we enabled each other for a long time. That's behind us now and we share a sobriety date.

At any rate, I know what you mean that some people really don't believe pot is addictive at all. I just wanted to let you know that I totally believe you - saw it with my own two eyes!

Mr. Doggy often comments that he has it easier than me because I have to constantly look at beer lights and advertisements and bottles in the grocery store, etc. I hadn't even thought how similar it must be for people like you in CA with medical MJ widely available.

Anyway...I wish you the best in your journey with bac and will look forward to your updates. Thanks for sharing your experience, strength and hope.

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Hi from another Greg here, who has also been a pot smoker! I am actually mainly an alcoholic, but I was so desperate to stop drinking that I started using cannabis as an alcohol substitute. It did help, but I ended up becoming psychologically hooked on it. I do think it can be addictive for many people, myself included obviously. I also started getting odd next-day after effects from pot, such as odd and obsessive thinking, worsened anxiety, unsociability, and a general malaise or tiredness that I nicknamed "pot fog". These problems started making it hard for me to function in some areas of life. I only smoked at night, just as I have only drank at night, so maybe the 24 hour gap between each use was creating a type of withdrawal syndrome every day, I am not sure. I was also using Xanax at night however, so that may have also contributed to the problems.

I found that baclofen, even at fairly low doses (eg 50-75 mg), did appear to help me with my pot use, and I am not currently smoking. The baclofen also seemed to help me get away from another bad pattern I had fallen into, namely using codeine or pseudoephedrine during the day as a cheap sort of high and depression relief.

Good luck with it, I would certainly say it's worth giving a go.

P.S. I also found that baclofen appeared to block some effects of marijuana, making it harder to get high, but not sure if others would experience the same thing.

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