Consolidated Baclofen Progress Thread

[Trixiebelle]

Oh and good to see you back here Dr Phill!

[cowgal]

I thought u were doing ok on bac, but just didn't get to your switch?? I'd keep going if u can, it has been a total miracle for me, love you and want to see u get better!!!

MA

[Trixiebelle]

I had to go off of it MA, I was so tired - felt like a zombie - I think
i'm one who has to titrate really super slowly


I might try again when I feel normal again, whateva that is - lol.

[cowgal]

I understand, just wanted the best for you, hope u find something that works for u!!

Lots of love,

MA

[brightlite]

So happy you are doing so well MA! Hope things are looking up!

[cowgal]

Sweetie, I hope u r doing ok..............i am off to sleep, stayed up way too long visiting a good friend after I got off work..................not smart!?
xo MA

[Zenstyle]

I wanted to check your website Dr. Phill, to see what you have on there now, but all I get is a message saying the domain is unavailable. I did, however, click on your YouTube (shirtless, dear God please let there be other clothes in play) link and I think you should have paid some respect to us ladies by donning suitable attire (in fact ANY attire). Call me old-fashioned but I think it would have been a nice gesture.

I don't want to be contentious but I very much dislike the derision in your voice when you refer to us MWO people in your video. Also, the self-promotion and condescension in your clip did not pass me by but, more than anything, I was left feeling concerned for your own well being.

Be that as it may, the point I really wish to convey is that people are entitled to make their own minds up as to what course of action they choose to follow regarding their problem drinking/alcoholism. What works for one person will not automatically work for another - it is not One Size Fits All. Giving advice is one thing, but suggesting that people are foolish if they don't follow your recommendation is really not good manners.

Finally, to the best of my knowledge, everyone is welcome on MWO (as long as they don't abuse the site or other members) and it is a great source of support. I hope you continue to use the site for your own support Dr. Phill and I wish you all the best. Our path is not easy and, at the end of the day, we are all in this together.

(p.s. You mentioned that you are endorsing MWO on your website. It may be prudent to check with Roberta Jewell before doing so...)

[cowgal]

His site has been down all day, major headache, he is really upset over it, will/should be up and running again, guess things over in the uk aren't as easily taken care of as here?? He has had probs w/ the server more than u want to know..............I gave him some pointers on the site, hopefully he takes/took them, so has Trix................otherwise, it is just another wealth of info for us bac users....................nice guy too.............much more compassionate than Dr. A..............at least he returns emails!!

just give him a little time................hope to see u there, there are only about 2-3 of us on the site so far.............just new tho, so maybe/hopefully will grow............think it's all good...........

xoxo Zen.....................

MA

[Dr Phill]

Hello Zen,
Long time, never spoke.
My web server is in Denmark, and has let the 600,000 of us that use it down a couple of times. As I type this, the site is back on-line. And you can post on it, if you like.
Look, I'm fed up of fighting. You are obviously very sensible.
I am not self-promoting. I am Baclofen promoting. The people that really need it may never ever get it, either because they don't know about it, or their medics are too ignorant or blinkered. Or they are in hostels without access to chat rooms and forums and threads. That's if they can read or are sober enough to know what they are doing. What they all need is information. What all the people that look after them need is information. That is all that I am doing.
My doctor wouldn't prescribe Baclofen for me. With this site as some form of back-up for me, he might have just considered it when I asked him. But, I hadn't set it up then.
I believe that you are very sensible, and open to debate. On baclofen4alcoholism.com, I specifically state as many times as I can that Baclofen is:
Firstly, not going to work for some people at all
Secondly, that its effects are going to vary from person to person
Thirdly, that its effects may vary in the same person from time to time
Fourthly, that we don't have a clue how long we might have to take it for
Fifthly, what is going to emerge from just around the corner to improve on Baclofen

Where did I ever say that people would be "foolish" not to "follow my recommendations?" I don't make any recommendations. I provide information, as efficently as you lot can provide it to me, which is not that efficient to be honest.

And, my manners are absolutely impeccable.

Lastly, under your advice, I shall remove all references to MWO from my site. Thank you for telling me. I really appreciate it. It hadn't entered my head.

It would be lovely to see you grace our 'thread, chat room, mail board' thingy at some stage. After all, I might well need your help one day. Only a few hours ago, an ex-MWO visitor contacted me with something that was potentially very important. That's how it works at B4a. That information won't get lost in thousands of postings on any number of threads. Once I've looked into it, it will be in the potential complications pages tonight, as long as I can get on to do it.

Kind Regards.

Pip

[brightlite]

Zen,

Those are my thoughts as well. I am also concerned about Dr. Phil and understand he has been through some rough times as of late. As far as giving advice, and I know we all do it off the cuff....but wouldn't it be dangerous or even litigious for a Doctor to be dispensing advice when addiction is not his field or specialty? What if something happened to someone who was taking Dr. Phil's advice regarding taking Baclofen. I'm not a doctor and don't mind talking about my experiences, but I would be concerned if I was a doctor about being sued for malpractice and misrepresentation. I don't know....any lawyers in the house? Just would not want Dr. Phil getting into trouble. When it comes down to it....he is a member on MWO, a fellow alcohol sufferer and a baclofen user like a lot of us here.

I would think twice about being called Dr. Baclofen though. Just my thoughts and opinion.