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Old 05-27-2010, 11:37 PM
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I should probably post in the other section, but I figured I would post here because there are a lot of BAC experts. My plan quit date is June 1st, and I need to complete my plan. I wasn't really considering meds until today, but I figured I need all the help I can get. I was just about to order BAC, but considering I don't do well with most meds, I thought that I would do some more research on natural remedies. I know that there is a lot out there for GABA-A, but what about something similar to BAC and GABA-B? Any words of wisdom would be appreciated!
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Wikipedia shows the following list for GABA-B agonists like Bac:

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GABA
- Baclofen is a GABA analogue which acts as a selective agonist of GABAB receptors, and is used as a muscle relaxant. However, it can aggravate absence seizures, and so is not used in epilepsy.
- gamma-Hydroxybutyrate
- Phenibut
- 3-Aminopropylphosphinic acid
- CGP-35024: 3-Aminopropyl(methyl)phosphinic acid, CAS# 127729-35-5, 10x more potent than baclofen as GABAB agonist, but also GABAC antagonist
- CGP-44532

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None of them look "natural" if that's what you're looking for. Seems to me that these are pretty unique substances, there are platy that act on GABA-A, looks like only and handful the work on the receptor that seems to have the best outcomes for compulsive behavior, cocaine and alcohol.

Personally, I can't wait for my Bac to come in - ordered three weeks ago in anticipation of my quit and have white knuckling since then. L-glut, other sups, exercise and staying busy are what I have for now.

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Old 05-28-2010, 01:06 PM
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As I understand it, Baclofen mimics a natural substance that all mammals produce. It is a medication (or "drug") because it is synthesized and does not come directly from natural sources. Most supplements (vitamins, minerals, etc.) are also synthetic versions of what is found in nature.

Also note that baclofen is not addictive and mammals do not develop a tolerance to it.
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Hi there

Fairly new at this, but have been taking a lot of supplements that include one called GABA Calm. I seem to be doing really well with cutting down the booze and the cravings GABA is a neurotransmitter that is inhibitory, thus a calming effect and that (I think) is what Baclofen is mimicking

Try it, hope it works for you
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Thanks all,
I know that all are synthetic because they are not being naturally produced in the body, but I know my body and its tolerance for most of the synthetics I put into it (I once broke out into a horrible rash from taking a Niacin). I am not opposed to BAC, but I know that with previous experiences, I would have to titrate up very slowly and it could potentially take months to hit the "switch". If all else fails and I can't have an AF June, I will be buying the Baclofen for a start in July. But, my plan is not to have to do that.
I have taken GABA in the past and did fairly well on it. Why I stopped? Who knows? But, I wonder if it would have the same type of affect at larger doses (like BAC). I did read on a site where someone was successful on it, and he or she was taking 3000 mg a day. There is also GABA tea. I have a few days to continue my research.
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Thanks all,
I know that all are synthetic because they are not being naturally produced in the body, but I know my body and its tolerance for most of the synthetics I put into it (I once broke out into a horrible rash from taking a Niacin). I am not opposed to BAC, but I know that with previous experiences, I would have to titrate up very slowly and it could potentially take months to hit the "switch". If all else fails and I can't have an AF June, I will be buying the Baclofen for a start in July. But, my plan is not to have to do that.
I have taken GABA in the past and did fairly well on it. Why I stopped? Who knows? But, I wonder if it would have the same type of affect at larger doses (like BAC). I did read on a site where someone was successful on it, and he or she was taking 3000 mg a day. There is also GABA tea. I have a few days to continue my research.

Hi lukalee

A few years ago I came across a book called "Seven Weeks to Sobriety" by Joan Larson. You can find information about it on a web site at Alcoholism Treatment Program, All Natural Health Supplements, Anxiety Cures It is a very good read and the treatment is entirely natural. The whole philosophy is based on causing no harm to the body and restoring health naturally. It is supposed to have a 75% success rate. We found it very helpful but it is hard to keep up the regime as it involves taking a huge number of pills. It is also very expensive and they recommend using only their products as store bought products are not so easily absorbed by the body. They use GABA and non-flush B3. Vitamin C in large doses is used to counter the effects of alcohol during detox. The problem I had with it apart from the cost is that it does not give advice about long term maintenance but otherwise it was well worth the effort. There were a lot of other benefits from taking that amount of vitamins and minerals such as good skin, nails etc. We still use vitamin therapy in addition to Baclofen.

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Otter,
I don't know if you could consider it irony or not, but when I first came to this site, I followed the seven weeks to sobriety to a T and easily did 30 days, and then I let it fall away. Like you stated, following it was difficult and expensive. The cost is easily justified (the cost of booze correlates), but having to take a vast amount of vitamins every couple of hours is hard to hide, especially when they give you side effects. I can handle side effects , but when I am around others who have to deal with them...not so much. My goal is to figure out what works (or consolidate what did work) for me and build on it. At this point, I am going to go shopping tomorrow. So far my list consists of high quality B-6, 5HTP,GABA, mass Vitamin C, and I already have enough L-Glut to make it through the first week or two. But, from what I have read, combining B-6 and GABA (mass amounts) will give a greater chance for my own success with a minimal amount of SE. Only time will tell.
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I am on baclofen for almost 5 months with excellent results. I know of 4 others on it doing well also
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I mean this with all respect....really, I do; I am glad to hear/read all aspects of everyone's recovery, and I am willing and able to learn anything I can on the subject......With no judgment from me, and I mean zero ( I am in no place to judge anyone), why would you be here posting for the first time after excellent results
on baclofen?
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Hi Lukalee

Good luck with Seven Days. I would recommend it to anyone even if they are taking Baclofen. There are a lot of bodily systems that are messed up by alcohol and need help to recover. My wife wound up looking younger that her younger sister.
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