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Old 05-21-2012, 08:50 AM
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And it's not just the Gabriel method. It's fasting too. It can be dangerous. It can be really devastating to overall long term health and well being.
Long term fasting is...a lifestyle choice, not a health choice.
Repeated short term fasting undermines the body's natural (and positive) way for maintaining healthy weight.

Exercise, on the other hand, gives long-lasting weight maintenance, improved health of every system in the body, a greatly reduced risk of just about every disease known to humans, is more effective than antidepressants for mental health and lends itself (almost magically!) to eating well.

And now that I've written all that, I think it's time I get my butt off the couch and out with the dog!
Power on, peeps!
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There are a few things that happen when you quit alcohol that lead to weight gain:

1) Alcohol is a powerful diuretic, and stopping it leads to water retention

2) Alcohol and whatever "base" liquid, be it beer, mixers, is calorically dense and nutritionally void, and stopping it leads to a calorie deficit that people tend to fill with sugar and simple carbs

3) Alcohol is a powerful GI irritant leading to nausea, malabsorbtion, and hangovers lead to loss of appetite, so stopping the alcohol leads to more food intake, and better absorbtion of nutrients.

2 and 3 are the main ones that get people. I wouldn't recommend worrying too much about your diet until you have the sobriety well in hand.

I don't want to get into a big diet discussion, but I would encourage people to read "The Paleo Solution" by Robb Wolf before making any big decisions on diet alteration.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:04 PM
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I definitely agree with point #3. Man my gut is sure different now compared to what it was when I was throwing them back. Amazing.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:46 PM
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What I am trying to do now is make little changes that I can do without much effort, by adding healthy things, rather than saying I will not eat such and such little things like having my green smoothie drink for breakfast instead of nothing, having wholemeal bread instead of white and adding veg on the side with my dinner, that way Im hoping I will start feeling better, once my back is better and Im able I want to start some exercise again, although Im going to have to be careful with that one but walking should be ok and if I could motivate myself to see what else I can do. Someone one another thread has very kindly sent me a book to download with back exercises so I hope to try that soon.

I am aware that these things are probably not going to have me loose the 3 stone I would could do with loosing but I hope its a good start. About 15 years ago I was a gym obsessive, I dont know how I did it but I would be in the gym most days and hardly ever ate a decent meal, at the time I was very unhappy with myself and with my life, my self esteem was so low. I have to second what Molly said about cross addictions, I had stopped drinking and became obsessed with my body, I think I probably had what people might say was a body to die for, but it very nearly killed me and definately wasnt worth it, I would hate to be in that place again
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:06 PM
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I think it is pretty useless to argue with you about something that you are not informed at all.
I know that my view on this is not mainstream, however that does not mean that it is not valid. As a matter of fact there is nothing on earth that is more misunderstood by the public than nutrition. It is not your fault or the public's fault, because unfortunately FDA the one that has put out some guidelines like the food pyramid that is completely irrelevant .
This is the authority that misled hundreds of millions of people to make them believe that fat makes you fat. Causing an incredible damage in people's lives with an epidemic in obesity by promoting carbs.
"Two-thirds of U.S. adults are overweight or obese" (2012 FRAC data).
And obesity is not only an issue of how someone looks in the mirror, but much rather a health risk as it is a major contributor for strokes and heart attacks.
The Standard American Diet (called SAD by some) is truly very sad and responsible for most of the degenerative diseases of our time. The problem is that people are brainwashed by advertisements of the food industry.
Adds tell you that milk is healthy, and you need to drink milk to get your Calcium. Milk is causing damage in people's life more than you can imagine.

Milk The Deadly Poison WATCH THIS!!! - YouTube

It is convenient to live a "modern" life and buy all the unhealthy products that you can get from the shelves of the supermarket and then put in the micro and feed your family in 5 minutes. It takes time to educate yourself and find the truth behind the lies that the food industry manipulate your brain with.
You can cure all the modern degenerative diseases by the food you eat.
May be you remember this from school:

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”
― Hippocrates

It is so true! But people forget it because they want convenience more than health!
Lots of people on this website have depression, because they eat garbage 24/7.
If you believe you can eat McDonalds for a long time and stay healthy, you might be in for a big surprise.
But Joe 6 pack needs his hamburger from McDonalds not to mention the over-sized french fries.
That is why the hospitals are overloaded and Doctors are driving SL500 Mercedeses and not Yugos.
This is why you are seeking medical help and I don't. I eat the right food and I do not need doctors.
The argument that you should not change your diet because you have enough to deal with alcohol addiction, is just laughable.
If you have the wrong diet to start with ( as most people sadly are) your body can only benefit from good dietary changes.
The problem is that people do not want to change. They want to eat the food they got used to for decades.
Hamburgers, BBQs, triple-decker sandwiches and ice creams are all nails in your coffin.
To step up to the plate and take responsibility of your own health requires some commitment and some education on nutrition.

It is very disturbing how can you post some messages with total incompetence yet sounding like you are a real expert:

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And it's not just the Gabriel method. It's fasting too. It can be dangerous. It can be really devastating to overall long term health and well being.
Long term fasting is...a lifestyle choice, not a health choice.
Repeated short term fasting undermines the body's natural (and positive) way for maintaining healthy weight.
But then again you do it all the time as it seems from your posts, and it seems like you are the "Jack of all trades".
I am really spending too much time on this website and I want to get off of it. I also really want to end this argument, so might as well I make this my
last post on MWO.
Luckily I got some good info from this website and was able to change my life around for good.
Even if I will have temporary setbacks, I know that Antabuse will help me along the way.


Anyway, I wish good luck to all!

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I started something new today: I am getting lettuce wraps instead of bread and side salad instead of potatoes when I eat fast food. Veggies in place of potatoes. Unsweetened tea instead of diet coke/pepsi. As far as a treat, two Oreo's or one Dove dark chocolate.
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Fasting can be good or bad. Depends what you are doing.
Diet is important. It's not a cure all for everything. Let's not kid ourselves.
I know a bit about it. I was a director of nutrition for a clinic and have certs. There's an angle on everything.

I drink pure cider vinegar everyday. It helps. I get meats from ranchers that don't use hormones, grain fed, all that good stuff. Better than that junk at the supermarket packed in solutions to preserve and salt your food up. But I just like good food.

Fast food, you are killing yourself. I never touch it anymore although I do get a craving every blue moon. Thank god I don't go out clubbing anymore.

Exercise and good diet can be great. Sometimes one needs more. Too many scrips aren't too good either but I can't talk there.

Just started hitting the weights again and looking forward to doing some backpacking soon to clean me out.

Till then I will be overindulging in my own menus but at least they will be my own foods and own stocks, etc. And they will be yummy.

Eat well and prosper.

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Old 05-22-2012, 09:20 AM
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Hi, again, WTBS.
I'm just going to try to ignore all of the insults and assumptions you made about my knowledge (or rather lack thereof.)
We agree, sort of.

I wasn't responding to anything related to the food pyramid, the FDA, milk or fast food. About which apparently we agree completely. The first two were bought and sold, and in part by the latter two.
Nor was I responding to anything related to the state of nutrition in this country or the obesity epidemic.

I was specifically responding to the assertion that long-term, or repeated short-term fasts are a solution to being overweight/losing weight when one is attempting sobriety. It can be completely counterproductive and in fact dangerous.

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I, too, have learned more from MWO then I could ever begin to give back. That includes looking into all of the many resources and suggestions on the holistic threads. Those things have changed my life for the better almost as much as baclofen has. But there is also as much misinformation there about healthy choices as there is on these threads about baclofen.

I have been heartened by your success. I am glad you are doing so well.
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Why is milk bad for you?

Edit Its ok I googled it

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:41 AM
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Also, WTBS, I wanted to draw your attention to the last time that you were concerned that I was posting misinformation that I couldn't back up:

Antabuse implant, anyone any experience?

Just in case you didn't see my response.
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