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Old 01-23-2013, 12:48 AM
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Default Declinol - A new product to fight alcoholism?

I posted something similar under the Sobrexa - Daidzin thread, but people seem to be dwindling in their responses to that thread. I will, however, follow WinstonWolf's diary on his day by day experience with Sobrexa.

I related my experiences with Sobrexa. Basically, you take six doses of 4 dropper-fills for the first week, and for the remainder 7 weeks you drop to 3 doses. Daidzin, the active ingredient in Kudzu, is the star ingredient. You get 3 dropper bottles of a product called Kalamaro, whose herbs are supposed to calm withdrawal nerves. My experience with this program is that I dropped my "normal" half of a fifth of 86 proof bourbon by more than half by the end of the first week. It seemed I got drunk much more quickly than before, so I quit drinking and went on to eat food before going to bed.

My problems seemed to start beginning with the second week of the program, when you drop your Sobrexa intake in half. I began to slowly increase my alcohol intake over the coming weeks, even while taking the lessened product. At the end of the eight week period, I was back up to pre-program levels, despite following the program exactly as prescribed. I really don't want to discourage anyone, because I could just be a hard case. I may need to double the dose over the remaining 7 weeks to get the desired results, but that would cost a lot of money.

Now to the reason for this new thread: There is a "new" product on the market. It is called Declinol. Their website is declinol.com as compared to the Sobrexa product at
drinklessnow.com. The programs for both seem very similar to me. I ask that you please go to both sites and report your thinking on this thread, even if you have never tried the products. It could be that the same company could be selling both and is trying to determine which marketing package sells the best. I don't know, but I would like to know what some of you think. Please read my post under Sobrexa-Daidzin to get my comparisons between the products. Thanks.
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:57 PM
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Chili, I agree with you, these products look exactly the same. From the dosing, to the graphs they use to illustrate their success rate. Either it's the same company or declinol is infringing on some patents (if sobrexa has any). It's really strange.
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Only $697.00?????

I live in the south U.S. Kudzu is a weed that grows in my yard.

I wonder what it takes to extract the chemical from it?

I could make a few bucks....

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Looks odd and no way I would shell out that $.
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Only $697.00?????

I live in the south U.S. Kudzu is a weed that grows in my yard.

I wonder what it takes to extract the chemical from it?

I could make a few bucks....

Cindi
Yeppers Cindi. You could make a few bucks and rid the south of some of this plant that seems to eat it way thru EVERYTHING!!! BTW, it may be a good idea to see what it would take to get the essential oil out of this weed. Kudzu has helped me with my cravings in the past.
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Default Seems fishy to me...

Declinol and Sobrexa are eerily similar. If it isn't the same company then it has to be someone close...the whole structure, the website, the program....repackaging.?...evolution?
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Steve Glasso who posted this informative video about Declinol on youtube:

Steve used to work for the Last Call Network and makers of Sobrexa. He was the online contact and would be online every day answering questions etc.

He either is the head of a spin off company or he started a new company that directly competes with Last Call & Sobrexa...

When I asked about Steve in the Last Call Network Forums some time ago I was told "Steve is no longer with us..."
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Good Afternoon,

We wanted to post on this forum to help answer some of the above questions.

The Declinol Program is completely independent of any other alcohol treatment program.

Many of you have mentioned Kudzu or Daidzin and that is part of our program's success. Daidzin (the active ingredient in Declinol) has been proven to help with cravings for excessive alcohol in more than 200 independently verified studies at major Universities and institutions around the country. However Declinol inlcudes other highly beneficial herbal ingredients that enhance its overall effectiveness.

One of the major reasons Declinol has been shown to be so effective is because of our N2 Technology. When this technology, which improves bio-availability of the naturally occurring nutrients, is coupled with our unique herbal processing methods, the result is a formula that has no equal. N2 Technology means faster and better results, and this has been demonstrated in a clinical setting.

In both clinical study, and anectdotal findings, Declinol simply supplies superior results. Over the course of usage, individuals not only experienced excellent results, the results occurred in quick fashion. "Feeling" the Declinol effect, often in a matter of days, helps the individual improve both compliance and enthusiasm for reaching their goal. These results, seen in detail at our website under "N2 Technology" tab, have been reviewed and validated by independent 3rd party verification (Richard Goldfarb, M.D., Medical Director of Bucks County Clinical Labs).

Declinol is produced in an FDA Registered OTC Facility and complies with all GMP (good manufacturing practice) guidelines. This is crucial to understanding the quality and efficacy of Declinol.

We are always happy to help answer any questions or provide any supporting data for the statements above about The Declinol Program at support@declinol.com <mailto:support@declinol.com> or 800.385.5004 <tel:800.385.5004>.

Our hope is that this is able to clear up many of your questions.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:21 PM
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There definitely must be something to daidzin/kudzu because my alcohol was cut by 2/3 within the first week. After the first 2 or 3 drinks it felt like I had taken a mild form of Antabuse. My face would flush somewhat and I didn't "feel like" drinking anymore. But after that first week of double dosing required by the program, my alcohol intake slowly rose to original levels over the next few weeks onto the program. It looks like WinstonWolf is seeing the same trend over on the Sobrexa thread, but it seems to be too early to know from his early beginnings on the program.

I'm concerned there may not be enough daidzin, which I understand is the active ingredient in kudzu, in the product to break the addiction of a hard core alcoholic like myself. It seems that there should be more of the product and maybe the protocol should be reversed - maybe start off with the single dose and slowly rise to more of the daidzin dosages over time. I don't know. I'm desperate for a non-chemical way of whipping alcohol but the two programs seem so eerily the same, I'm concerned that I would have the same result, just less money in my pocket.

Question for the Declinol company: Both the Sobrexa program and Declinol obviously use the same active ingredient kudzu as the cornerstone of the program. Both are liquid based. How can the N-2 technology in Declinol be better? Are the molecules smaller in your product over Sobrexa, therefore more easily absorbed? I'm not a chemist so I may be way off the mark, but I would like some reassurance since I already "shelled" out $800 for the other program that eventually did not work, although I did have a good start, and I followed the eight weeks of instructions faithfully.

I know there is no guarantee for any program, but an 85% success rate would be the "gold standard" in comparison to anything else out there.
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Good afternoon,

This is in response to the above question from Chilipepper.

In focusing on the Declinol formula, there are a couple of key points. The formula does contain a strong dose of daidzen from Kudzu, but it also offers other benefits such as a good percentage of herbal bitters. Bitters have been shown in 3rd party studies to help decrease cravings for alcohol. Also, as important, all of the herbs in the Declinol formula are concentrated at a 1:1 ratio (1 part herb to 1 part liquid). This is quite strong for a liquid extract, as many typical liquid herbals are 1:2 (1 part herb to 2 parts liquid), 1:4, or even more diluted. This strength of herb helps ensure more consistent results.

Regarding the N2 Technology, this is really the cornerstone of the Declinol Formula. The N2 Technology helps to improve absorption and utilization of the herbal compounds in several ways. The technology creates spheres that encapsulate all of the ingredients and act as transport vehicles. These spheres reduce particle size, so availability is improved because the ingredients can be absorbed easier, and the nutrients also spread out over a larger area in the gut so more nutrients reach the site of absorption. Also, the nature of the spheres allows them to remain at the site of absorption in the gut for a longer period of time, and this extends the time for nutrients to pass into the system. Finally, the N2 spheres hold multiple nutrients together at more uniform particle size, so they can be assimilated at the same time for greater synergy.

We hope that this helps and again we are more than happy to help answer any questions. Please feel free to contact us. Support@declinol.com or 800-385-5004.
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