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Old 05-23-2008, 06:06 PM
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Google-video, search Ibogaine. Best is: Ibogaine: Rite of Passage, but many others
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http://leda.jycaem.org/?ID=257 ...and so many more sites.
I've done this myself and seen many people get completely clean in one session.
Don't be put off by the "woo woo" factor, stay with the science.
The best and cheapest provider is No. of Puerto Vallarta: ibeginagain.org
It is legal almost everywhere but the USA.
It is also amazingly helpful w/ bipolar, schiz., sexual abuse victims, trauma
recovery of any kind. In Thailand they are stating definitively that it cures bipolar and schiz. I have seen this happen twice with my own eyes; friends who were VERY troubled and addicted and came back with a completely different take on life, and who have refused to use any drug again. PM me or inquire here. I just feel this needs to be known about.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:54 PM
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You have to be careful with this stuff, it can be dangerous. That is why it is banned in the U.S.
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sexual abuse, trauma, and various chemical addictions are so vastly different in nature that I'm sorry but I'm thinking snake oil here....
at any rate I'm open minded so I'll look into it for sure.
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Nancy, why is it dangerous?

I've never heard of it and I'm wondering why.
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Well, it's dangerous as I remember because it can cause heart problems and has resulted in some deaths. Also, imagine there are hallucinations involved. It's definitely not for the weak.

But please look this up. Also, unlicensed people are giving the treatment, which probably is more of a concern. So imagine, there are health risks anyway, combined with unlicensed people giving the treatment.

Why haven't you heard of it? It has gotten a fair amount of press for treatment of heroin addiction and in leftist circles there is support for that. Look in the British press for articles. The dangers are thought to outweigh the benefits in conventional medicine, but it is allowed on a sideline basis in some countries.

If you are a diehard heroin addict, to me it does seem worth checking out despite the risks.

I haven't heard much about it for alcoholism. It seems extreme for alcoholism. I think the link above is just to generate sales.

Please be careful about providers of ibogaine.

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Personally, I think that the use of any drug, deserves close investigation. If one chooses to use a prescription drug, use a physician to obtain the drug. Biochemistry is extremely complicated and their are always risks involved.
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Well, it's dangerous as I remember because it can cause heart problems and has resulted in some deaths. Also, imagine there are hallucinations involved. It's definitely not for the weak.

But please look this up. Also, unlicensed people are giving the treatment, which probably is more of a concern. So imagine, there are health risks anyway, combined with unlicensed people giving the treatment.

Why haven't you heard of it? It has gotten a fair amount of press for treatment of heroin addiction and in leftist circles there is support for that. Look in the British press for articles. The dangers are thought to outweigh the benefits in conventional medicine, but it is allowed on a sideline basis in some countries.

If you are a diehard heroin addict, to me it does seem worth checking out despite the risks.

I haven't heard much about it for alcoholism. It seems extreme for alcoholism. I think the link above is just to generate sales.

Please be careful about providers of ibogaine.
I agree.

The SVP program is $4500 plus airfare to Thailand and appears to be geared towards prescription drug dependence.

Legality in the U.S. ......the pharma giants may not be able to patent it and make $$$$.
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deliberately squelched here, and if you read/watch the videos there will be full explanations.
The deaths that have happened have all involved people on some type of speed at the time, who lied to the providers. No one on any drug would be given Ibogaine.
There are no hallucinations. When you open your eyes, it all stops. It simply takes you deep into your subconscious. You are in control every minute of what you want to explore. You are able to pinpoint the traumas that have let to your addiction/emotional problems. There is a lot of crying, and then a deep sense of forgiveness and love. It is like being under hypnosis.
The plant itself does lower the blood pressure, which puts you in the relaxation state.
Have you ever woken up from an extremely intense and vivid dream? That's how it is, only you control the dream.
I went to Mexico, the people there have been doing this for decades, they are all from Oregon, they have doctors there at the site...I paid 2800$ and it was the best money I ever spent.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:48 PM
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that all those are the exact same thing: trauma. That's what Ibogaine addresses.

But also, the latest studies out of Florida (google Deborah Mash) suggest that it goes to the part of the frontal lobe that controls addictive behavior, and sort of wipes it clean. (Including obsessing about past traumas). They've had success w/ OCD, ADHD, and all the before mentioned stuff.

And for that matter- what's so great about prescription drugs and doctors?
Far more people have died on that crap then on plants.

I'm sounding like an evangelist here at this point, but I think it's a very fascinating substance that truly merits investigation by many folks here who it could help greatly.
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that all those are the exact same thing: trauma. That's what Ibogaine addresses.

But also, the latest studies out of Florida (google Deborah Mash) suggest that it goes to the part of the frontal lobe that controls addictive behavior, and sort of wipes it clean. (Including obsessing about past traumas). They've had success w/ OCD, ADHD, and all the before mentioned stuff.

And for that matter- what's so great about prescription drugs and doctors?
Far more people have died on that crap then on plants.
I'm sounding like an evangelist here at this point, but I think it's a very fascinating substance that truly merits investigation by many folks here who it could help greatly.
I do not have an opinion as I know little about it. Would you care to share your experience?
I am not sure about many prescription drugs. If it cannot be patented the drug companies are not interested. My post was not meant to be dismissive.
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