Hi All,
I have ended up being politcally incorrect for much of my life, not so much by choice really but perhaps by the way the stars are alined you could say.
I come from a long line of Irish Catholics. At 16 I met and fell in love with my future husband , a man who comes from a long line of English Protestants. I am the middle of 9, he is the middle of 3. We are mostly Democrats, they are mostly Republicans. We have lots of babies, they have lots of money. He is a stubburn, "prove to me HE exist" atheist. I am a stubburn "Open your eyes man and look around you, how can you not believe?" practicing Catholic.
I introduce myself to you all in this way to show you that I am a woman of conviction. I have my own beliefs yes, but for the last 26 years have been happily in a relationship that share two very conflicting belief systems on many differnent grounds. So with that said, I would like to share with you these thoughts:
The MWO program was set up to catter to two groups of people. Those who want to moderate and those who want to abstain. I think it is fair to say that what draws most people here is the hope of moderation. In the book, the hypno section, there is even two sets of scripts, one for moderation and one for abs. Once into the program people often choose one path or the other. This is a PERSONAL choice, and one I don't think is meant to be judged one way or the other.
This site I believe, was set up to be a support system for both groups of people. I further believe it has grown boyond the wildest dreams of those who first created it. It now even has a seperate section for abs and for moderation. I do not believe this was intended to divide the unity of this forum, but to further the growth of the people who are here and the goals they are striving for.
As far as the program itself is concerned, I could be a flipping infomercial for it! I don't think it is any secret to anyone here how bad of shape I was in when I first arrived. I have read many stories from many people since I came here. Some worse off than me, some not. My problem started a little over two years ago, and I fell fast, and I fell hard! Kinda of like a boulder being dropped from the top of a mountain that shatters into a million pieces when it hits bottom. Others, it has taken years of drinking to hit bottom. Every story is different, therefore every solution will be different as well.
Some of us need to work the program from start to finish, that is all there is to it! That is the reality. Others don't. That is the reality as well. Some can start taking topa and cut their drinking by upto 80% and that is their goal. I say BRAVO! Moderation Ally for them. Others Take the topa, do the cds, take the supps, do the exercise, and then come here and say, "What happened, I fell, I drank, I did everything you told me to, and what happened"? I say "Listen, it happens, lets look at what else is going on with you".
Still others come here and say, I fell I drank, whats wrong with me? I say, "Well, have you done any of the program", supps, meds, etc....Much of the time the answer is no. So I say, "Lets give it a try before you say whats wrong with me"
I have said more than once on the abs board and other places as well that this is not just about sharing the good, because lets face it there is not a whole of good about this whole darn mess that we are all in. It is about sharing the good, the bad, and the ugly, but we all need to be trying to get better here because in the end that is EVERYONES goal.
I don't think we want to stop helping people when they come here and say "listen I am in a bad way". There all all kinds of reasons that people fall! Some however are are pretty easily fixed, like having booze in the house especially if you live alone. If you are serious about this GET RID OF THE BOOZE!....that would be a simple one.
Others, not so simple. People die, depression, spousal abuse, the list goes on. We don't want to turn our backs on people in
need of help like that. What if they come here and say help, and simply can't talk about it.....
Geez I don't know, I just would really hate to see this board divide into a battle of wills! It has helped me through one of the most difficult times in my life, and I am not done giving that help back yet!
I am sorry for the length of this post, and as Tawny said, discretion is a wonderful thing when adding a post, and replying to one. I hope I have used discretion in adding this post, and I hope you use discretion in replying or not!
Donna
I need to add a footnote here. At the end of the day, when you look in the mirror, and it is just you and yourself, there is no lieing. You know the truth! You know what you have to do, and no amount of coming to this board is going to fix your problem. You know if you can moderate, you know if you have to do the program, or you know if you can, as RJ calls it, tweak the program. Please, be honest with yourselves, it really is worth the trouble, and you really are worth the effort!!
I have ended up being politcally incorrect for much of my life, not so much by choice really but perhaps by the way the stars are alined you could say.
I come from a long line of Irish Catholics. At 16 I met and fell in love with my future husband , a man who comes from a long line of English Protestants. I am the middle of 9, he is the middle of 3. We are mostly Democrats, they are mostly Republicans. We have lots of babies, they have lots of money. He is a stubburn, "prove to me HE exist" atheist. I am a stubburn "Open your eyes man and look around you, how can you not believe?" practicing Catholic.
I introduce myself to you all in this way to show you that I am a woman of conviction. I have my own beliefs yes, but for the last 26 years have been happily in a relationship that share two very conflicting belief systems on many differnent grounds. So with that said, I would like to share with you these thoughts:
The MWO program was set up to catter to two groups of people. Those who want to moderate and those who want to abstain. I think it is fair to say that what draws most people here is the hope of moderation. In the book, the hypno section, there is even two sets of scripts, one for moderation and one for abs. Once into the program people often choose one path or the other. This is a PERSONAL choice, and one I don't think is meant to be judged one way or the other.
This site I believe, was set up to be a support system for both groups of people. I further believe it has grown boyond the wildest dreams of those who first created it. It now even has a seperate section for abs and for moderation. I do not believe this was intended to divide the unity of this forum, but to further the growth of the people who are here and the goals they are striving for.
As far as the program itself is concerned, I could be a flipping infomercial for it! I don't think it is any secret to anyone here how bad of shape I was in when I first arrived. I have read many stories from many people since I came here. Some worse off than me, some not. My problem started a little over two years ago, and I fell fast, and I fell hard! Kinda of like a boulder being dropped from the top of a mountain that shatters into a million pieces when it hits bottom. Others, it has taken years of drinking to hit bottom. Every story is different, therefore every solution will be different as well.
Some of us need to work the program from start to finish, that is all there is to it! That is the reality. Others don't. That is the reality as well. Some can start taking topa and cut their drinking by upto 80% and that is their goal. I say BRAVO! Moderation Ally for them. Others Take the topa, do the cds, take the supps, do the exercise, and then come here and say, "What happened, I fell, I drank, I did everything you told me to, and what happened"? I say "Listen, it happens, lets look at what else is going on with you".
Still others come here and say, I fell I drank, whats wrong with me? I say, "Well, have you done any of the program", supps, meds, etc....Much of the time the answer is no. So I say, "Lets give it a try before you say whats wrong with me"
I have said more than once on the abs board and other places as well that this is not just about sharing the good, because lets face it there is not a whole of good about this whole darn mess that we are all in. It is about sharing the good, the bad, and the ugly, but we all need to be trying to get better here because in the end that is EVERYONES goal.
I don't think we want to stop helping people when they come here and say "listen I am in a bad way". There all all kinds of reasons that people fall! Some however are are pretty easily fixed, like having booze in the house especially if you live alone. If you are serious about this GET RID OF THE BOOZE!....that would be a simple one.
Others, not so simple. People die, depression, spousal abuse, the list goes on. We don't want to turn our backs on people in
need of help like that. What if they come here and say help, and simply can't talk about it.....
Geez I don't know, I just would really hate to see this board divide into a battle of wills! It has helped me through one of the most difficult times in my life, and I am not done giving that help back yet!
I am sorry for the length of this post, and as Tawny said, discretion is a wonderful thing when adding a post, and replying to one. I hope I have used discretion in adding this post, and I hope you use discretion in replying or not!
Donna
I need to add a footnote here. At the end of the day, when you look in the mirror, and it is just you and yourself, there is no lieing. You know the truth! You know what you have to do, and no amount of coming to this board is going to fix your problem. You know if you can moderate, you know if you have to do the program, or you know if you can, as RJ calls it, tweak the program. Please, be honest with yourselves, it really is worth the trouble, and you really are worth the effort!!
Hugs, Judie
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