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Sunbeam
September 17th, 2009, 03:06 PM
This article in Time Magazine is very interesting: Most people who exercise regularly don't lose weight because they eat more and do less physical activity after they have exercised!

Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1914857-1,00.html)

peacenik
September 17th, 2009, 06:09 PM
that statement is a catch 22...exercise does produce weight loss IF you don't eat more because you think you earned it by exercising!

:)

greeneyes
September 17th, 2009, 06:11 PM
muscle weighs more than fat

wonder if it's better to be a muscle-head or a fat-head?

Determinator
September 17th, 2009, 06:19 PM
these studies are so misleading. er 'can be' if not taken with a grain of common sense. As pointed out above, muscle weighs more than fat. but an even bigger issue IMHO is that my quality of life is better in general when I exercise regularly. Absolutely every part of my mind and body functions better and my sense of 'aliveness' is proportional to my exercise habits.

lushy
September 17th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Actually muscle does not weigh more than fat. I used to think that too until I saw an article that pointed out a pound of muscle weighs as much as a pound of fat. It just takes up less space.

I think exercise, like Det said, should be seen as something for the brain and soul instead of for weight loss because it is so easy to have two cookies and eat the amount of calories you just spent on a walk.

Marshy
September 18th, 2009, 08:35 AM
Like Det, I do it for the feelgood factor (and it's also been proven to help in addiction recovery), but I have lost more than two stone (28lbs) since I started exercising regularly. Although maybe giving up the thousands of calories of booze every day might have had something to do with that. ;)

Miss October
September 18th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Good article. It is a combination of both exercise and diet if you want to lose weight. Some people just do not change their eating habits. I can exercise all I want and still not lose weight unless unless number 1 - I cut out the alcohol, and number 2 - cut the carbs down to only one meal and not three. Plus I'm not one for junk food. I would rather have that extra glass of wine that I don't need instead of dessert :no:

That is the first time I have heard that muscle weighs the same as fat, but just takes up less space. I do find that very interesting. That's could explain why when you do a combination of aerobic exercise and weights, you don't lose weight, but you can lose inches. Nice !! Thanks for the post :thumbs:

peacenik
September 18th, 2009, 05:17 PM
muscle is dense fat is "fluffier"!
like a lb of rocks to a pound of feathers.

greeneyes
September 18th, 2009, 05:19 PM
peacenik;717883 wrote: muscle is dense fat is "fluffier"!
like a lb of rocks to a pound of feathers.
exactly. It's really about how your clothes fit isn't it?

ChefRobaire
September 1st, 2012, 09:33 AM
Bottom line folks....calories in....calories out. If you consume more calories than you exert...you will gain weight and visa versus...

NoSugar
January 22nd, 2013, 05:01 PM
There are many, many positive things about exercise. However, the amount of energy expended exercising is really very small relative to the amount of stored energy most people have so losing weight should not be the reason a person exercises.

As long as blood glucose (and hence insulin) concentrations are high, there is no way to lose weight because the hormonal signal to make and store fat is constantly ON and the signal to burn fat is never on. A very obese person who complains of hunger often is dismissed as crazy and lazy but it is true --- all of the brain's "I'm hungry! I need to eat!" signals are firing most of the time.

All of this finally is being covered in the popular press -- thank goodness - but I don't think our obesity problem will be solved unless the population changes the way we eat. Given economic and political interests, that is a going to be really difficult to do. But if we don't, our health care systems are going to be crushed from the fall-out of our poor diets.

Siren136
January 23rd, 2013, 06:00 AM
I think the article is a bit old and exercise science has moved on. Calories in/calories out is not necessarily the be all and end all. When you're young, it's normally easy to drop weight because your metabolism is higher and you tend to be more active. When you're older, say after 35 or 40, your metabolism slows down and it's harder to lose just by sticking to a strict diet and exercise program. The same doctors who will tell you 'calories in/calories out' will then turn around and say that your metabolism slows down as you age. WHICH IS IT???

The articles I have been reading lately say that interval training is key for cardio. Short bursts of intense activity in the middle of doing less intense activity. Say, walk a mile, then do 6 intervals of jogging 30 seconds and then walking 90 seconds. Then cool down by walking for 5-10 minutes. Or start off jogging and sprint/jog the intervals. You can adapt almost any cardio activity to an interval workout. The intensity of the fast interval is the key.

The other thing (and this is where I struggle to fit it in) is weight training. As was mentioned - muscle weighs more than/takes up less room than fat. Plus, the more muscle you have, the more calories you will burn, even when you're not working out, because muscle is more vascular than fat. It takes more energy to keep muscle 'fed' than fat.

Finally - diet. I think that there are a lot of diets that will help people lose weight. Obviously clean eating (i.e., no processed food) is best, but that doesn't mean that any one food or food group is evil for all people. I think a common sense approach is needed here. If you feel better when you eliminate meat, then do that as much as possible. If you feel better when you limit carb intake, then do that. This is why journaling is so important. Write down what you eat and how you feel. You may need to see an nutritionist to help analyze the patterns in your diet.

A diet is not going to be successful if one feels deprived all the time. Personally, I like the diets that give you a 'cheat day', where you can eat what you want one day a week.

Sunbeam
January 25th, 2013, 09:26 AM
I just noticed this thread had popped back up. I think many studies are just a reflection of a moment in time. The low-carb people certainly seem to believe that the "calories in, calories out" model doesn't work, it really is too many carbs that makes us fat. I also read something recently about walking exercise only produces weight loss if followed for the long term, short term we just end up eating more. Perhaps that's true about any exercise program, perhaps also when "diet" is used to describe something short-term. And yes, I think I have seen something about "interval training" posted around here. It is all interesting food for thought.

rednose
January 29th, 2013, 09:08 AM
Exercise works for me

I have lost five pound in 7 days. I am exercising but I am also weiging out my food and being very careful about what I put in my mouth other than Alcohol. Can't speak for everyone but it is working for me.


rednose goal lose 25. down 5 pounds.

IAD
January 30th, 2013, 09:12 AM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/alexstevens/lazy-bastard.jpg Your right Sun.....what it produces is fatigue ! Ha! I try not to over ex cert myself.....Ha! :cool:

Nelz
January 30th, 2013, 09:30 AM
IAD;1453530 wrote: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/alexstevens/lazy-bastard.jpg Your right Sun.....what it produces is fatigue ! Ha! I try not to over ex cert myself.....Ha! :cool:

Hilllllllllllllllllllarious!!

Alcoholic
January 30th, 2013, 10:43 AM
IAD;1453530 wrote: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/alexstevens/lazy-bastard.jpg Your right Sun.....what it produces is fatigue ! Ha! I try not to over ex cert myself.....Ha! :cool:
Base on this picture, they should do a study to see if treadmill owners are more likely to be overweight than non-treadmill owners.... Lol!

I know exercise is good for me, so whether it helps me lose weight or not, I try to do it. Just like I know alcohol is bad for me, whether quitting it helped me lose weight or not, I quit it. Helping others is good for the soul, I try to do it. It does not do anything for weight either :(.

aihflvt
February 3rd, 2013, 04:56 PM
Depends on the kind of exercise. There have been periods in my life where I have been mild to moderately overweight. Even when I was running long distances (half marathons), I would drop a ton of weight, but my body still retained its "fat person shape." I've been strength training now for about a year with a personal trainer, and for the first 10-11 months, I was still dropping weight, but now I've turned a corner and am gaining weight due to increased muscle mass. I didn't quit running, but I run less frequently and don't run for such long distances since such sustained high-intensity activity burns muscle (a more efficient source of protein) than fat.