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MonaCat
June 4th, 2007, 07:53 PM
How much overweight do you have to be to attend the group meetings?
And is it expensive to belong?
I understand they are all privately owned?
Barbi, I know you lost lots of pounds in that program.

wwbarb
June 4th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Weight Watchers of Arizona is a privately owned franchise. I also happen to work for them. I don't know where there would be one by you but I can do some research if you would like. You need to lose at least five pounds to become a lifetime member. To become a lifetime member, you get to your goal weight, which is based on a body mass index (BMI) of 20 to 25. You choose your goal weight in that range. Then you maintain it for six weeks by adding more food so that you stop gaining and stop losing. After that, you attend a meeting for at least once a month and need to be within two pounds of your goal weight - then you are free of charge - otherwise the fee is $13 in the state of Arizona.

PM me if you need any additional information - it's one of my favorite topics.;)

MonaCat
June 4th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the information Barbi.
I thought you had to be 20 plus pounds overweight.
I do think there is a group in my area.
I'll pm you for more info.

MonaCat
June 5th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Barbi, what does Weight Watchers say about alcohol? Is it assigned points like other foods?

lucky 2.0
June 5th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Mona,

Now that last question really cuts to the chase! I am interested in the answer also.

xo

lushy
June 5th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I have heard a glass of wine is two points (for a small glass which I do not know what that is! :)) but you are not allowed a whole lot of points so that eats up quite a few. Barb would know more.......I just like thinking I am an expert on everything.

lucky 2.0
June 5th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Now that is the truth from lushy if I ever heard it!!! LOL

MonaCat
June 5th, 2007, 08:26 PM
So, if you drink a bottle of wine, you use up all of your points?
Barbi, where are you darling...we need your expert opinion here.

lushy
June 5th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Truth is Duck, I AM an expert on everything. I just try to downplay it here.

MonaCat
June 7th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Barbi,
Where are you?
Did the Arizona Sun get ya?
I want your expert opinion on the wine in weight watchers, and am too lazy to pm you.

amethyst
June 7th, 2007, 04:22 PM
When I did ww, wine was 2 points per glass-**5** glasses per bottle. 1 bottle=10 points. At the time I only had 22 points per day...not much room for any food;) For those that can drink only 1 glass or so every now and then, it probably fits in fine. But then again, if I only drank 1 glass every now and then, I would have never needed ww:H

nancy
June 7th, 2007, 11:14 PM
Just remember, glasses are not all created equal! as i remember a tiny glass of wine is two points!!! a normal glass for people like us may amount to a lot more.

Let's say you get 22 points a day (that is average), plus 35 bonus points you sprinkle throughout the week. (The more weight you have the more points you get)

and lets say that you drink a sixpack of beer which as I remember is 6 X 3 or 18 points. you can take it out of your daily points or your weekly allowance.

you need to have a goal weight that is in accordance with the BMI tables.

If you haven't done Weight Watchers before, definitely worth doing. It is a HUGE eye opener about the amount of calories in food and if you follow the program, you do lose. It gave me a huge boost to know I could control my weight in that way.

having said that the calorie limits are too low in my opinion. I routinely cheated, i probably had more like 30 a day, when i was supposed to have 22, and lost weight.

i think a point is roughly 50-60 calories.

and you can earn points through exercise.

wwbarb
June 8th, 2007, 03:38 PM
Sorry - I've been in client meetings all week and barely had time to check emails.

Nancy, that's right. 5 oz is technically a glass of wine or two points. Since I don't drink wine, I don't know how many you get out of a bottle, so I'll take your word for it.

When calculating points, fat and fiber also come into consideration, but that has nothing to do with booze, so you can figure anything less than 70 is a point, anything less than 120 is two points. We have a gadget that actually does the figuring.

5 oz wine - 2 points
12 oz light beer - 2 points
12 oz regular beer - 3 points
1 1/2 oz of any regular booze (shot of scotch, rum, etc) - 2 points
1 1/2 oz of sweet shot of schnapps - 4 points
4 oz margarita - 5 points

That will give you a general idea of what you are consuming point (calorie) wise.

Barb

wwbarb
June 8th, 2007, 03:41 PM
That is also true that you can earn points exercising but there's a couple of points I want to make on that.

It takes me almost an hour to earn 4 or 5 points of activity points. It takes me less than a few minutes to eat them.

Also if you trying to lose weight, I would caution you to think long and hard before trading activity points for food. You've just lost all of the weight loss benefits for a lot of hard work. It is an individual decision, though.

zincityzen
June 8th, 2007, 04:09 PM
By my calculations a bottle of wine is 13 points; a 750 ml. bottle is 33 oz. I was in WW for a couple years and would always try to calculate my wine ahead of time...been thinking about returning, but would need to be AF for a while, just to have more food fuel.

MonaCat
June 8th, 2007, 07:40 PM
So how many points can you eat a day?

nancy
June 8th, 2007, 11:34 PM
well it depends on how much you weigh.

for overweight woman but not obese it is about 22 per day plus 35 per week, which equates to 27 points per day, very low caloric intake, remember a point is worth about 50-60 calories, but if you have high fiber the point count is less.

I reckon they expect people are cheating. or the guidelines are set for very small women (small bones and height).

Also, remember when doing weight watchers that some fat free foods recommended on this diet are loaded with sugar or high fructose corn syrup which is deadly stuff. (I have thrown away all of my fatfree salad dressing, check the labels ladies!)

you can still do it, just be careful with totally fat free foods.

for someone who has never been on the program I WHOLEHEARTEDLY recommend it. you will learn immensely about calories in food.

Those who have gone the rounds a bit more should be discriminating about what is in their points, not just the total, that gets lost in the WW mentality.

I say go for it Mona Cat.
Learning the point system for food has huge value for your dieting goals. But beware of the limitations (point value versus nutritional value)
and take good supplements.

wwbarb
June 9th, 2007, 05:40 AM
Mona, there is a five question quiz that you take. How many points you eat is based on your height, weight, gender, age and activity level. Also, you get more points if you are nursing. There is another plan, called the Core plan that is based on learning your "confort zone" by eating from a list of wholesome, nutritious food without tracking or counting your points. You get an extra 35 points every week for treats, glasses of wine, etc. It scares the hell out of people learning to trust themselves and once you can learn to do that, you can truly learn to manage your eating and your weight.

You really can't do this program without the materials that either the online program or joining has to offer. Even if you just join and never go back (which I don't recommend - the group support, which is nothing like AA, is unbelievable if you get the right group for you) you'll have the week one material and everything you need for the food program. You need to go through at least week three to get the activity stuff and through week ten to get all the printed material. I don't mean to sound preachy, but if I could get a lock on my drinking like I have on my eating I would be a happy woman, and WW helped me do that.

wwbarb
June 9th, 2007, 05:54 AM
Nancy, I am curious, when you say "some fat free foods recommended on this diet", I am wondering who is doing the recommending? A lot of times there are food ideas exchanged in the meeting room when individuals are bored or so-forth. I agree with you on the fat free stuff - most of it is horrible and loaded with crap. You are better sticking with a teaspoon of olive oil and some vinegar or lemon juice. It is an individual choice what you eat.

And the one word I will not tolerate in my meeting room is the work "diet". Diet has a very negative connotation - you are either "on it" or "off it". This is a plan where you are making a choice - you have so many points (or you are on the Core plan and you are hungry) and you decide what it is you are going to have. I treat my points like money - would you spend $50 on that pair of shoes?? Well, I'm not spending 5 points on a brownie (I only get 18 a day when I am losing weight).

Another part of the program is the "Eight heathly guidelines". This forces you to use a lot of your points on dairy, healthy oils, protein, and whole grains. It also tells you that you need a certain amount of fruits, veggies and water and to limit your sugar and alcohol, as well as take a supplement. By the time you are done eating your healthy habits, you don't have many points left for wine. Also, if you really conform to the heathly guidelines, you are going to feel satisfied after getting used to it. Like any decrease in food intake, it takes some getting used to.

nancy
June 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Well the fatfree foods...

I think they advise fat free dressings don't they? Isn't it in some of the tip lists for snacks?

Also, i used to buy weight watchers fatfree products, like cookies, and I would compulsively eat the entire box. I figure it is due to the sugar content, the things they put inthe snacks to make them more palatable.

I know you are right about the recommendations for food types. I never took that advice to heart, i guess I never realized the significance of it.
I got all the handouts saying whole grains were good. but noone ever explained to me why refined sugars are so bad for weight loss. Once I understood that, through the south beach diet, i never touched them again. whereas when i was on weight watchers, i routinely ate white pasta and saw nothing wrong with that. I was still in the Fat free mentality, all the while eating tons of sugar, unknowingly.

For me and others I have known in the program, there is a tendency to focus on the number of points and being allowed goodies with the bonus points.

I used to swear by weight watchers, and it always worked. for some reason, I can't seem to lose weight anymore. It might be due to antidepressants, which I have now stopped.

I heard that some groups are amazing.

maybe i will try it again. It got depressing the last time to not be able to lose after so many successful experiences with weight watchers. Wbarb, what are your feelings about anti-depressants and weight gain?

lushy
June 9th, 2007, 04:37 PM
I gained 30 pounds on anti-depressants and would never go back on them again. Most of it came off but it took a while to get there. Docs do not tell you about the weight gain much and I am not sure why.

chrysa
June 9th, 2007, 08:07 PM
L,
What were the anti-depressants that you took?.

I thought some types were appetite suppressors?

nancy
June 9th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Check the drug threads for this.

I was on citalopram. That apparently causes less weight gain than the other SSRIs.

But still, weight gain is a side effect. For me it was 10 pounds, not a HUGE amount but enough to make me very depressed.I was going through a life transition and did not think anything of it. but once the transition was over, the weight persisted and i could not use Weight Watchers anymore to lose it. I was puzzled but then I read a few threads on this on this website.

I looked up the effects of various drugs and posted them on a thread called citalopram in the drug section.

Very few are not associated with weight gain: they are Serzone and Welbutrin, but welbutrin is associated with seizure problems and not sure if alcoholics should take it.

I did a bit of reading and some of the drug cos said the weight gain tales are anecdotal. But I saw an article on psychology today indicating that weight gain is indeed a side effect of SSRIs. seems like psychiatrists recognize weight gain as a side effect of SSRIs.

what a bummer.

wwbarb
June 10th, 2007, 06:48 AM
I have heard that some anti depressants cause you gain weight. Some meds cause you to retain water, which is just as bad. The key is not to tell yourself that, well, I'm on this med, so I might as well eat whatever I want anyway. I used to do that when I was on Prednisone. I knew that one of the side affects was "increased appetite", so I used it as an excuse to eat everything in sight.

As far as fat free goes, the key is portion control. And the flavor of some of that stuff is so nasty, why would someone want to eat it anyway? The bars and stuff that we sell in the meeting room I think are garbage and a waste of money (I hope none of my superiors are tuning in). But they are life-savers to people who are looking for snacks IF they eat just one. Some of the fat free cookies and things on the market have just as many calories as their fat filled counterparts because they have added sugar - and an added price tag. I'd much rather have a banana to satisfy my sweet tooth

nancy
June 10th, 2007, 11:36 AM
Well, I really used to love WW choc cupcakes, but it must have triggered some blood sugar rush because I HAD TO EAT THE WHOLE BOX. i stopped buying them.

hope you don't get in trouble with your superiors, i like what you say about the banana.

amethyst
June 10th, 2007, 02:59 PM
I was on Effexor for 18 months, and gained 30 pounds. They are hard and slow to come off. It doesn't help that when I went off the effexor I started drinking more wine. I am hopeful that when the wine is gone or greatly reduced that the weight will reduce as well;)

lushy
June 10th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Paxil was what I was on. It was awful. It actually made me drink more, I gained so much weight and the weaning off was so brutal I had to take time off from work and lay in a dark room. Ugh. So glad to be free of that.....