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      Re: My Jail time Baclofen Plan/Looking for feedback and insight

      Thanks for the reply. Would coming down off the 87.5 mg I'm currently and comfortably on diminish my chances at attaining indifference after my jail stint? I'm just wondering about all the back and forth. Additionally, and I know there are a myriad of opinions about all of this, I have also read that it is not wise to not drink at all while titrating up.
      Indifference 350 on 9/20/11. Titrated down to 180 got the cravings. Titrated back up to mid-300's and all Hades broke loose. Hope to get better.

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      I don’t know about the first question, but in all the years I’ve been involved with Baclofen, I’ve never heard that you HAD to drink. Just that it’s optional.

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      Re: My Jail time Baclofen Plan/Looking for feedback and insight

      I've never heard that either. From all accounts, drinking makes the side effects far worse.

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      My experience watching someone detox off baclofen in you situation is that the withdrawal symptoms hit about two days after you stop and you can halt them by getting back on baclofen. Can you surrender to custody late in the day. I know of cases where people surrender on a Friday night for a four day sentence and they are released the next morning. In some places you only do half the sentence anyway, and in some places they won't release you on a Sunday so they let you go the day before. So, for instance, if you get a six day sentence and go in on Friday night, that's one day, then Saturday is two, and they let you go because they won't release on a Sunday. So, you do overnight. The thing with a nominal sentence of two days is it's a marker so they don't really care how long you are inside. It's just to frighten you so ask your lawyer about any way of reducing the time you are actually inside.

      In any event, when they say two days, that generally means you are released on the second day, not that you stay in for a full hours. It's sort of a day or a part of a day, unless they say a full 48 hours, but almost everywhere this is reduced by half so I would have thought you would only do one day. Maybe I'm wrong.

      I had one guy who got a 14 day sentence and I got an order that it be served on weekends. That made seven days with remission He turned up on Thursday night and was released on Saturday morning because of the Sunday rule, so that was four of his seven days, and then they told him not to bother coming back the next weekend because they didn't want to go through the hassle of processing him just to release him a couple of days later.
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      In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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      Curiously, do you feel that 30 mg curbs cravings? When I was on the protocol for the first time it was being overseen by Dr Fred Levin (who has since disappeared). When we were consulting I told him that my cravings had ended at 35 mg (I misspoke; I meant to sy 350 mg) to which he replied "that's impossible." He was also insistent that I stay at that does and not titrate down to "maintenance dose." I asked "well what about Dr Ameisen" because in all the literature it states that he went down to 80 mg (if I recall correctly) and did fine on that does. Dr Levin replied "Dr Ameisen learned the hard way to not do that."
      I was treated by Dr L and he told me it was impossible that I switched at 80 mgs. He wanted me to keep titrating up. I didn't. I also backed down to 30 mgs.

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      I was treated by Dr L and he told me it was impossible that I switched at 80 mgs. He wanted me to keep titrating up. I didn't. I also backed down to 30 mgs.
      That's interesting because my wife claimed that she was feeling free from alcohol at about 80mg, but continuing to binge drink. That was right at the beginning about six years ago. Because she was still drinking, and "I knew best" since I'd read Ameisen's book, I kept pushing her to take more and go up to 270 mg a day, since that was what Ameisen was on and I figured they were probably about the same weight. I also figured that Ameisen was taking his dose in three daily doses so I was insisting she do the same. The problem back then was no one understood how important it was to spread the dosage out.

      The result was she was getting side effects after taking big doses and refusing to take it, which led to arguments and she would just stop taking it, and then relapse big time. I think, now, in hindsight, I wouldn't have pushed her to take more than that, if that was making her feel ok. Probably the stress of my wanting her to be "cured" by hitting the switch, and her not liking the side effects, made her more stressed and anxiety-ridden.

      Now she's down to 40 mg a day and doing very well. I know she isn't drinking because she's stopped driving the car over the past year, what with all the problems we've had.
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