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    Re: My baclofen journey

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    Noted. Will action this. And get some imodium... Constipation looks like a distant dream, right now...
    lol, I am not sure what is worse......

    Interesting Username BTW......

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    Re: My baclofen journey

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    I have two cats: Smiley and Karla.

    They have failed to live up to their namesakes. They just effing sit there.
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    Re: My baclofen journey

    Yesterday (Saturday) I didn't have a single drink, for the first time in years. It felt weird - but easy.

    Today (Sunday) a friend bought me a pint with a Sunday lunch - I bottled refusing it. But that's it. I should have just had a Coke.

    I still have no idea who I'll be if I stay sober, and that's a worry. Also, I'm a short-tempered, irritable over-thinker when sober, and bloomin' lovely when a bit pissed. So that's also a worry. Maybe I'm short tempered because I'm anxious and that will go?

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    Re: My baclofen journey

    So, a week later - and I haven't drunk anything for a week. I have managed two weeks before (once), so I'm not reading too much into it - but I'm still pleased.

    I followed @Baclofenman 's recommendation, and went up to 125 - though no GI problems with this increase.

    I couldn't say I'm indifferent, because actually I fear starting drinking again. I like not drinking, but worry I'll restart - clearly, not quite indifference. Also, this week is something of an exception - I'm a teacher, and it's half term. We'll have to see how that fares.

    Finally (for this week) I'd say that baclofen is not a drug to be messed with: its anxiolytic effects are remarkable, but I notice now if I forget a dose - there's a sort of rising feeling of being 'out of sorts' with yourself. I think I also worry that it'll be addictive in the sense of needing more of it. Most claim that this does not happen - it will be good to hear others' views of this.
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    Re: My baclofen journey

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    I think I also worry that it'll be addictive in the sense of needing more of it.
    It is only "addictive" in the sense you will (probably) need to taper off it. It is not "addictive" in the way, say crack is, in so far as you can taper off Baclofen without side effects but I doubt crack will allow you that ease. The use of the word addictive is being used wrongly in this sense.

    You may need a higher dose to get to a state when you feel "indifferent" , higher than at 125mg q.d As a medication, Baclofen is NOT addictive, using the word addictive in the way it is designed and interpreted in the correct sense.

    Heroin, Crack and long term Cocaine use is addictive, without other medications I would expect these are difficult to kick. Baclofen is not addictive but needs a titration and tapering regime. There is a solid difference, both Medically, Ethically and Physically.

    I get the commitment to Baclofen and your yearning to achieve your goal, necessitating the need for a higher dose. this is not uncommon, I was content around the 160mg q.d (daily) but many have been far more 300+ mg q.d and some less. it is a bit hit and miss and I believe effected by your consumption.

    My congrats as to not drinking for a week or so, we have all been there and know this is a bloody hard effort - I always get "itchy" around the 3 o clock mark.....Get yourself a Netfix subscription or if you have one watch a good comedy series to take you up to bed time.

    I am sure I have mentioned several series in the past but if you missed them.......

    Curb Your Enthusiasm - Wikipedia

    Fauda - Wikipedia

    The End of the F***ing World - Wikipedia

    Of course Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad.

    This will last you a month or so by which time you will be a month ahead.

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    Re: My baclofen journey

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    Get yourself a Netfix subscription or if you have one watch a good comedy series to take you up to bed time.
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    I will check those out! Currently binge watching Schitt’s Creek. And Police Interceptors: The Middlesborough Years.

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    Re: My baclofen journey

    So - two weeks in, and no alcohol for those two weeks.

    I'm 'only' taking about 130mg a day - which is low. However, when baclofene.com conducted an unscientific survey of their members, 1/3rd found indifference at 120mg or below and about 60% at 150mg or below - so I sit firmly in that sector.

    I don't think I'm at true indifference yet, because I still worry that I'm not indifferent - I still think about booze, but I don't have that all encompassing craving any more. I think about it, put the kettle on, and make a cup of mint tea.

    There are tough times ahead emotionally - many storms on the horizon. Maybe I'll snap? It's only two weeks after all. But it's the first two weeks in ten years... and now I'm also alone with myself a lot more. I drank not to be that. I don't like it, and I'm not sure what sort of person I can be sober.

    I first started daytime drinking when I was about 20, but it came and went. I first went to see an alcohol counsellor around 28, and I found that worse than useless. I wobbled about for ten more years until, around 38, I took the plunge and fully committed to the booze. I miss it. I'm less 'fired up inside' with a burning, itching anxiety on baclofen, and that's great. But I do worry about my sober self!

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    Re: My baclofen journey

    Hi George.

    Congrat's on your sober time and having a crack at taking back your life.

    Re sober self. I'm glad i stayed the course and allowed my sober self to emerge and rise. I had to keep an eye on him though, and set down a few rules. 2 + years sober at the minute has resulted in 3 guitar albums released and 2 Sth. American tours in this time. Would've been a 3rd tour this year if not for covid. Next album ready for release. Just dreams and talk when i was boozing.

    Point here is this was my truth and passion, and there's a direct link between accomplishing something i love and ceasing booze. For others it might be getting in shape, new re, relay....rell.....er relationships, building a business, knitting, etc. etc. there are no limits when we stop the madness and turn our focus to what we love or on a goal. Keep it rolling friend.

    'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

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    Re: My baclofen journey

    Three weeks in, no drinks.

    And life has been gruesome - family life, daugher's mother, work etc. All preeeettttty gruesome. But I read a post on a different site from a woman whose only child was murdered, so actually, my world is pretty fantastic, compared to hers.

    At times I've thought, 'I should drink right now, because this really would make this evening go with more of a swing. If not now, when?' But actually, it's stayed a theoretical wish. I couldn't muster the effort. I didn't really 'need' it. It almost felt like something I should do like going to the gym; a duty, which I'd probably enjoy when I get there, but which I can't really be bothered to do.

    So - my 'switch' seems to be around 130-ish mg. I'll stay here for maybe six months, maybe a year, maybe forever. @_serenity_ how long did you stay/have you stayed at what dose? I know that @Baclofenman weaned yourself off it completely.

    I still look to the future and think: how on earth will I be with my friends? How will Christmas work? Holidays? These all seem like occasions where it'd be fun to drink, not part of the harmful pattern of drinking. But I can't quite see myself doing it. Lots of people talk about moderation, and I was never a binge drinker - I could always say no (after 1.5 bottles of wine and a couple of G&Ts!). But it feels like it would be a chore.

    Ultimately, I drank because I'm quite prickly, racing thoughts, tormenting myself. Sober, I still am that person. I am a fun drunk - I don't fight, argue, puke, fall over. I giggle, let things go. Sobriety leaves me as something of a fish out of water. I mean, I'll be the designated driver. My Muslim friends will be pissed off they've lost their USP.

    I read comments from the newly sober about how they find the joy of life, record guitar albums, do live shows, run 5 times a week, rekindle relationships. But that isn't what's happening to me, and it's not what I see happening to me in the future. Ultimately, many drunks quit the sauce as part of a much bigger project of life transformation. But, not to get too Chumbawumba, I've been knocked down and picked myself up again that man times that ultimately, now, I don't have the fight for another 'rebirth' moment.

    Hey ho.

    Not putting this out there for pity or sympathy - more putting it out there for all those drinkers who are looking for their way out, considering baclofen, but also feel slightly overwhelmed by the thought of having to do that and touring Latin America, taking up fell running, and generally being a Renaissance man... Ultimately, I feel like I'm going to be the antsy, irritable pedant that I was before (and while) I drank.
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    Re: My baclofen journey

    Hi @georgesmiley,

    I think it's a great idea to stay at your switch dose for as long as you can. 6 months is great, 12 months even better. Especially if you're not drinking. Too many people "hit their switch" and immediately try to drop their dosage down. I was one of those people, and I dropped my dose down too low and relapsed. It was a roller coaster for a time while I went back up in dosage while trying to drink "moderately."

    I've been on baclofen, and on these forums, for 10 years now. The people who are the most successful with baclofen in the long term do exactly what you are doing - staying at (or close) to the switch dose and not drinking. You obviously don't have to become a Renaissance man, but you can enjoy your time with your daughter, learn to enjoy sober sleep, etc. and get some good distance between yourself and the bottle. You'll likely find yourself changing for the better without trying. Maybe you'll always be antsy and irritable, but I would guess you'll be less so over time without the AL withdrawals on top of everything.

    Anyway, congrats on the sober time. Keep posting your progress if you can.

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