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    Re: My ten year baclofen anniversary

    Hi, I received an order today with 180 10mg tablets of Baclofen from All Day Chemists.

    United Pharm UK are replacing my order that I supposed customs must have seized, but it's going to take 4-6 weeks to get here. I suggest not shipping anything with DHL, I know I won't try that again.

    I don't want to start with only 180 tablets, so I'm waiting as I have 2 other orders that have shipped. Once I get a decent supply on hand, I'm going to start and hope that I can find a doctor to write a script.

    It sounds really promising, as I think a big part of my problem is anxiety.

    I've been experimenting with Phenibut to control the anxiety, but it's really difficult to get the dosage right and it gives me bad nausea if I take too much. It's not really slowed my drinking down much, but it definitely slows the pace, because now it takes me all day to drink as much beer as I would in a few hours before.
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    Re: My ten year baclofen anniversary

    Hi @Journeyer,

    I've always found United Pharmacies re-ship if things go awry. They're my 'go to'.

    You're right to build up a buffer supply for baclofen, because you don't want to quit it cold turkey. Baclofen itself reduces that 'searing' anxiety, as attested by so many people who've ended up on it. It did with me. I believe Ameisen himself hypothesised that this was the reason it was so effective; it reined in that restless agitation us piss heads so often feel.

    I don't know much about phenibut; but I know people who've used it and ended up horribly hooked on the stuff. There are whole reddits on quitting phenibut. Yet I think there are none on how to quit baclofen, so I would not view them as equivalent. This is strange, as they both target GABA-B receptors. It's not up to me to tell you what to do, but I think there's a big difference in phenibut and baclofen three months, six months in...


    Remember, I am not a doctor. But I'm a decent guy who is fried with a visceral 'on edgeness' so maybe I can share some strategies that have worked with me. Who knew? People drink because they're anxious. Mindfulness has to be the biggest - though it does require some willpower, and I regularly flake out on it. But it definitely works.

    Remembering again that I am not a doctor (but that many of us decide to read up and use pharmaceuticals off our own bat), some useful things I have ordered (from United Pharmacies) that help moderate the anxiety, but without hitting GABA-A receptors (like benzos) and with no tolerance are atenolol and clonidine (half a tablet). I can tell you more about them if you like - they're very legal, very safe and very cheap.

    But actually, once you build up on baclofen, I think you'll notice a difference. But baclofen takes planning and commitment. It sounds like you know that (building a stockpile), so this is promising!

    George
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    Re: My ten year baclofen anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by georgesmiley View Post
    Hi @Journeyer,

    I've always found United Pharmacies re-ship if things go awry. They're my 'go to'.

    You're right to build up a buffer supply for baclofen, because you don't want to quit it cold turkey. Baclofen itself reduces that 'searing' anxiety, as attested by so many people who've ended up on it. It did with me. I believe Ameisen himself hypothesised that this was the reason it was so effective; it reined in that restless agitation us piss heads so often feel.

    I don't know much about phenibut; but I know people who've used it and ended up horribly hooked on the stuff. There are whole reddits on quitting phenibut. Yet I think there are none on how to quit baclofen, so I would not view them as equivalent. This is strange, as they both target GABA-B receptors. It's not up to me to tell you what to do, but I think there's a big difference in phenibut and baclofen three months, six months in...


    Remember, I am not a doctor. But I'm a decent guy who is fried with a visceral 'on edgeness' so maybe I can share some strategies that have worked with me. Who knew? People drink because they're anxious. Mindfulness has to be the biggest - though it does require some willpower, and I regularly flake out on it. But it definitely works.

    Remembering again that I am not a doctor (but that many of us decide to read up and use pharmaceuticals off our own bat), some useful things I have ordered (from United Pharmacies) that help moderate the anxiety, but without hitting GABA-A receptors (like benzos) and with no tolerance are atenolol and clonidine (half a tablet). I can tell you more about them if you like - they're very legal, very safe and very cheap.

    But actually, once you build up on baclofen, I think you'll notice a difference. But baclofen takes planning and commitment. It sounds like you know that (building a stockpile), so this is promising!

    George
    United Pharm did re-ship that to me. They told me 4-6 weeks, but it was more like 4-6 days. So I got that one yesterday and the other 2 shipments got me to 560 10mg tablets, so I decided to start on it this morning with .5mg and then going to follow up with .5 again at 2pm and .5 at 6pm. The 2pm and 6pm doses covers the witching hour for me. I typically start on beers around 4pm and if I don't, the cravings will become ferocious by 6pm. Of course I don't expect anything to happen for a while, but I can most definitely feel that first pill I took. I can't quite describe it, but it's quite strong, like a muscle relaxer I suppose, but no euphoria or anything like that. But I definitely feel it, which took about 15-20 minutes on an empty stomach.

    What really concerns me is that amount I will need to order later on when I get to 150mg or whatever crazy dose it takes to get to that magical indifference level. I have to tell you, being indifferent to my beloved cursed beer is something that sounds so alien to me as to be impossible. No worries about the money, it's worrying about customs seizing my stuff because it looks like a lot maybe when you're ordering 1000 pills at a time.

    I've been taking around 250mg of Phenibut a day to help with anxiety. Mildly effective at that dose, but I think it takes closer to a gram to have a real therapeutic effect and that much gives me severe nausea. Also not sure about mixing the two, so I'm holding off on anymore phenibut until I find that I can or cannot take it with Baclofen, because Baclofen is my focus now, I really have to stop drinking and really cannot, a nasty situation most of us are quite familiar with.
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    Re: My ten year baclofen anniversary

    Hi Journeyer,

    You're spot on on every level.

    It does relax you, or rather, take the vicious edge of your anxiety or antsy-ness.

    You do have to go to 'crazy' doses, yes. And often, it's not pleasant to go there.

    And finally, yes, just contemplating being booze free is terrifying. I fucking looooove the booze. It's delicious, it's relaxing, it slows my brain down to merely supersonic, rather than speed of light. It makes me nicer, funnier, kinder, calmer.

    US Customs is a bitch. I don't get it. All our governments are stupid in all sorts of ways. But the British government doesn't seem quite as hostile to its citizens as the American. The FDA and customs agents are there to protect you against affordable high-quality medications, while guns flourish and healthcare costs spiral. Here, you can buy more or less what medicines you like from abroad provided it's legal (I wouldn't be trying fentanyl...), and no-one will shoot you. Of course, fentanyl and oxycontin have been prescribed in huge quantities by US doctors legally.

    I've lived in the US, and love the country, and go there a lot (or went there a lot). But this fundamental 'how can we be an obstacle to cheap, practical solutions?'-ness of both state and federal governments always simply baffles me.

    I recommend you try extrapharmacy.ru. Similar price to UnitedPharamacy, but he labels it as an air conditioning unit, wraps it in foil, then sort of vacuum packs that into something that looks like a ground coffee brick, then puts it in a cardboard box. I've no idea how thorough US customs are, but it looks like it's worth a shot.

    Keep going buddy.

    George

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