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      This thread made my heart race. Going to make a Dr appt next week.

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      I love to taper but although i have spent hours on this site i still am not getting something...how? is it a beer an hour? if so what about if you dont drink all day until night time? i am scared of something happening to me in the night when i am sleeping...stupid but true

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      Hi everyone,
      I have just joined. I've been surfing the net and somehow came across this site.
      I live in the UK , but am Scottish by birth.
      I was bullied at work about nine years ago. I took my employers to a tribunal and just won my case but with a 'gagging' clause!
      I gave up work and since then I have been more or less binge drinking off and on for years.
      I have tried many times to cut down and even abstained from alcohol for short periods, but every time I feel stressed I start drinking again.
      My mother was an alcoholic and I see myself turning into her.
      The problem is that I have no support. My husband even buys me the drink, and my son has just started eaching and has no time to even listen to me when I phone him.
      I am lonely, and am full of self disgust at myself.
      I am very shy and could never go to AA meetings. So, I haven't drunk any alcohol for six days now, and I just want, or really need to stop altogether.
      My husband did a Supermarket shop today and I noticed that he has bought two boxes of wine. He seems to be oblivious of my situation, which I find so upsetting.
      Anyway, I hope I can find some support here, and be supportive too.
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      LoveyB
      BTW I am not very computer literate!

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      Thank you so much Puddytat for your honesty and help.
      I know there are so many opinions on detoxing out there. It is very expensive and as you said "goes on you permanent record" (tongue in cheek..high school phrase).

      I really don't want all my life to be in a computer. Fear of detox is not something that should make sobriety impossible.
      Real information is important.

      I saved the file and it will help me.
      Our local hospital doesn't detox patients admitted for things unrelated to alcohol. They are given beer to keep withdrawal at bay. They can then deal with their alcohol issues at another time.

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      Hey there ... this thread and narratives behind it makes sense to me!!!! How long do you taper for?

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      Tapering

      I drank 12 cans of beer every evening for nearly four years (and managed somehow to function well as a marketing manager in a big corporate, almost impossible it seems). I decided to quit drinking when I concluded that enough was enough - started online gambling as well and lost 5k (when drunk I simply did not have any control). I was terrified by the stories on the Internet on the dangers of alcohol withdrawal (I really did not know that alcohol is such a demon and dangerous) but I did not want to visit my doctor for apparant reasons. So simply calculated in Excel the % of alcohol my body was used to, switched to wine (as beer was part of the psychological addiction) and then I gradually reduced my alcohol intake with 10% a day (the alcohol intake - wine is stronger). I had no probs or side-effects and it was actually quite easy. Withdrawal was minimized and I also could sleep. The rewarding part was that I felt every morning better and it served as a big motivator. And I simultaneously dealt with my physical as well psychological dependence. It takes a strong will however and what works for me does not work for everybody...

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      I drank 12 cans of beer every evening for nearly four years (and managed somehow to function well as a marketing manager in a big corporate, almost impossible it seems). I decided to quit drinking when I concluded that enough was enough - started online gambling as well and lost 5k (when drunk I simply did not have any control). I was terrified by the stories on the Internet on the dangers of alcohol withdrawal (I really did not know that alcohol is such a demon and dangerous) but I did not want to visit my doctor for apparant reasons. So I calculated in Excel the % of alcohol my body was used to, switched to wine and drank it on other instances - after dinner (as beer when coming home was part of the psychological addiction) and then I gradually reduced my alcohol intake with 10% a day (the % of alcohol intake - wine is stronger; 2 bottles of wine is 12 cans of beer). I had no probs or side-effects and it was actually quite easy. Withdrawal was minimized and I also could sleep (though I woke up as well and had curious dreams). The rewarding part was that I felt every morning better and it served as a big motivator. And I simultaneously dealt with my physical as well psychological dependence. It takes a strong will however and what works for me does not work for everybody...

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      Questions and hiding withdrawal effects

      I know this thread is about tapering, but I have to give a bit of background, I believe it is relevant because tapering is literally my only option.

      Questions (if you need more info you can read past them)
      * What experience do people have with weening or going cold turkey for a day or two while doing something active (hiking, sawing logs) etc. compared to basically just sitting in front of a computer?

      * If you lived in a small town an hour from the nearest hospital, how would you handle the risk if some of the horror stories would happen.

      * How would you hide symptoms, as you go through it? Everyone knows everyone here, doors are never locked (just walk in), and everyone talks. I can't really get away with not meeting anyone for 7-10 days for sure, hence weening is my only option.

      * Oh, and I can't tell my wife (more on that below), but we both work from home.

      For about two years now I have been drinking 2.7 liter bottles of a grain wine, about 20 degrees, sometimes 25 when I couldn't get my hands on the lesser one, but then I always diluted with water to control my amount. That didn't work, as it just went down smoother. a year ago I would be going through about one bottle every three days, eventually two days, and now I have to make sure I have at least two full bottles on hand in case I wake up and the booze shop is closed and I only have a a cupfull left to get me through the morning.

      Anyway, I live in a small town. The nearest hospital is an hours drive away. I know everyone here, and maybe only the woman at the only booze shop within 30 minutes knows how much I drink (though I stagger it and buy in bulk when I happen to be at the closest super 30 minutes away).

      Wife is not quite supportive. Last time I told her I was alchoholic, she was nice for one day and then anything I did wrong she would scream at me and blame it on my alchoholism (i her defense, *some* of it was) Not exactly the help I was asking her for. I did manage to taper a lot at that time, but would still have a few glasses with dinner (with her permission), and sneak a few swigs in the morning to stave off the shivers. Now I can not tell her that I am drinking even more.

      I am lucky to "work" from home, so I don't have to drive, and I am a rather high-funtioning drunk, never look drunk, don't puke etc. so most neighbors don't notice. When I go to a party I have my own bottle that I can drink from in the bathroom, while I nurse my drinks in public. This will change soon though, as I will soon have to start driving.

      I can't just go cold turkey because my wife is always at home too and will see. Even if she doesn't suspect it is withdrawl, she likes me enough to worry and want to take me to a hospital after two days of prolonged shivering and dry heaves, where I will be busted. This morning she drove me to the doctors for our health checks. I knew it was coming so I didn't drink the night before and certainly not that morning, lest my blood tests show something.

      By the end of the day, when we got home, I needed her to stop the car three times to dry heave out the door. I was *very* visibly shaking, and I could barely walk straight because my legs were wobling. Since the symptoms are all the same as the flu, I was able to cover up long enough until we get home and I could "cure" it.

      I have gone off for two days at a time before, and though you can see the shake if I am holding a glass of water, and I loose appetite, feel a bit queezy, I have never had this happen. One thing that is shared by those times was that I was out either hiking, or working on some other project that kept me very busy and meant I couldn't get access to my stash, or I had to drive my daughter someplace.

      I considered going hiking where I would not have access to it for a week or more, and set up camp and "just deal with it", but that sounds less than a bit dangerous.

      I am frightened about this latest incident because even not drunk, I was in no condition to drive. I can no longer ween to only drink at night and be safe for work in the morning.

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      Mondad, thank you for sharing. I'll share more soon. just have to get done being sick first. sorry

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      Hi mondad and welcome... I'm sorry your post hasn't gotten attention here; I'm not sure how much traffic the research section gets. I've thought about your quandry and understand your safety concerns. It would certainly be a better situation if your wife was on board with your tapering idea, but I understand the issue of hiding it from the spouse, having done that. If you're drinking 2.7 litres at home now, I don't understand why you can't manage to drink less in order to taper. Can you drink only enough to ward off the symptoms? Meaning do you have enough discipline to not drink more than is essential? Have you read the MWO book and know what to do to support yourself physically - supplements and the like? Have you thought about what IF you can't taper? Just going ahead and telling your wife might be the least damaging.

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