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    #16
    Anything good about beer??

    Hi Kid. I respect everyone's right to post, and i know you have good intentions. As you well know, there are many fragile souls here, who really are on the edge, and at their wit's end, trying to save their lives by not picking up another drink, ever, and this site might be their last chance. Your 'informative' post, may well be enough to tip someone over the edge, and get drunk and crazy. Sad, yes, but true enough. I ask you to try to be a little more sensitive to other's, and remove that post if you haven't already. I personally, enjoy your contributions here. Be well.....................G.

    'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

    Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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      #17
      Anything good about beer??

      hey Kid, I personally think your post is perfectly valid, this is the 'research' section after all not the 'reasons I wil not drink today' thread. Personally I like hearing some support for moderate consumption once in a while, instead of the constant government warnings that tend to add up to 'zomg! drinking is bad for you!'. Anyway, I value your contribution, and just wish this whole AF vs. Modders thing that seems to be going on would just die! We're all adults here, we should respect each others opinions, not try and silence them - in the real world people will talk about alcohol, people going AF need to face that sooner or later.
      The way I change the past is by not repeating it
      -James Hetfield, Metallica

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        #18
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        You think you're pretty smart for an 18 year old, don'tcha???

        I think you are too...Thanks, TG.:thanks:
        ~Kid~
        It is not how much we have, but how much we enjoy, that brings us happiness.
        ~ Charles Spurgeon

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          #19
          Anything good about beer??

          ThatGirl;566331 wrote: hey Kid, I personally think your post is perfectly valid, this is the 'research' section after all not the 'reasons I wil not drink today' thread. Personally I like hearing some support for moderate consumption once in a while, instead of the constant government warnings that tend to add up to 'zomg! drinking is bad for you!'. Anyway, I value your contribution, and just wish this whole AF vs. Modders thing that seems to be going on would just die! We're all adults here, we should respect each others opinions, not try and silence them - in the real world people will talk about alcohol, people going AF need to face that sooner or later.
          Ditto!!

          Hips
          xxxx
          "Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." Kahlil Gibran
          Clean and sober 25th January 2009

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            #20
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            I don't get it. Why should this thread be removed? It is quoting "Research" - take that research or leave it.

            This thread totally illustrates why we never hear from long-term, consistent modders. I've been very happily modding for 3 years but do I ever post about it? No. In deference to people who are struggling I don't post that I still have a complete cellar. For the people who cannot leave a bottle unfinished, I don't post that at any given time I probably have three opened bottles of wine and make my selection depending on what I'm eating that evening. Thanks to screw caps those bottles can last for weeks. I am happy with my consumption. Like everybody else, I had to work hard to change my behaviour and it wasn't until I got my drinking under control that I could address all the other issues impacting on my life.

            Kid has not said "go forth and drink ten buckets of beer". If we have to be so sensitive about not tipping anyone over the edge, shouldn't every post that reads "I'm drinking now" or "I'm sorry I posted while drunk last night" etc. etc. etc. be deleted?

            I've said it before. The Abs-v-Mods battle is akin to the Hatfields and the McCoys. (Adding a rare here.)

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              #21
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              TawnyFrog,
              The Mods group is looking for people like you. We would love to hear about your experience and strategies under Long Term Moderation (Mod Squad). I think you have never posted there.
              My life is better without alcohol, since 9/1/12. My sobriety tool is the list at permalink 236 on the toolbox thread under monthly abstinance.

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                #22
                Anything good about beer??

                I don't know of anyone who said the thread should be removed. Personally, I find the headers about the wonders, delights, and supposed health benefits of alcohol distracting, annoying, and inappropriate on an alcohol-recovery site. I was hoping Kid would take note that some people feel that way, and leave the discussions about how wonderful alcohol is to the body of his posts. Apparently he doesn't want to...

                And TF, of course I am delighted that you are happy with your alcohol consumption, too! I cannot think of any reason you don't wish to mention it, in order to encourage others who would like to learn to control their drinking, the way that you have.

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                  #23
                  Anything good about beer??

                  You know what? I worry sometimes that we forget that this is a 'virtual world' here on MWO. Set up by someone who wanted to help, and following a book about moderating.

                  For lots of people its a fantastic tool and has helped the reach their goals. For others it doesn't work and they have to continue their search elsewhere. You can't help and protect everyone.

                  What really doesn't help is when the debate turns into bickering and gets personal.

                  Everyone has the right to input. Everyone has the right to an opinion.

                  I certainly wouldn't post on an AF thread if I was modding, and vice versa.

                  I'm sure I'm gong to be shot down in flames by some of the excellent debaters we have here but hey, at least I said my piece (I'm smiling).

                  I'm sooo non confrontational and enjoy my peace.

                  Each to their own.

                  Bxx
                  Proud to be SLIGHTLY SLOVENLY.:wavin:


                  [/COLOR]

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                    #24
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                    Sweaty Betty;566429 wrote: You can't help and protect everyone.
                    Hey gang,

                    I am a modder - having been doing fairly well since Sept 08. I usually stick just to my "safe" little mod discussion board because I do worry about people reading my posts as I know there are some people who would be delusional thinking they could mod and this could be life threatening to themselves and others.

                    As I view things I think the long term moderator board has overall been a place where we support each other by expressing empathy and helping each other to recognize our personal strengths and resources for change. We share with each other our motivational techniques that are based on the assumption that the responsibility and capability for change lie within the individual. We KNOW that all folks can't mod...maybe that's why we have our own board.

                    I don't think any of us go to AF boards trying to encourage our point of view (that modding can work for some) but what boards are supposed to be off limits?

                    I would think the general discussion board as well as the research board would be fair game for everyone's point of view.

                    And if there are those dear souls too faint of heart to read things that may tip them over the edge (I'm sorry if this sounds cold over the computer - it is meant to be said with good feelings and concern for others) then perhaps My Way Out isn't the board for cyber help that they should be on. There are other recovery programs e.g. SMART, AA that discourage ANY drinking and maybe these would be a better fit for some folks.

                    Just my humble opinion...but just a reminder that My Way Out WAS designed for moderation drinking yet the moderators seem to get a lot of grief at times ... even on their own mod board where AF'ers will give their opinion and it doesn't necessarily lift the moderators up.
                    Eve11
                    "Control your destiny or somebody else will"

                    ~Jack Welsh~:h

                    God grant me the serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the courage to change the one I can, and the wisdom to know it's me. ~Author unknown, :thumbs:

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                      #25
                      Anything good about beer??

                      Threads like this really upset me!
                      Very seldom do I post in response as I HATE conflict.
                      But really this has just gone too far.
                      What is the difference between reading the headline here or in a newspaper/magazine?
                      Personally I skip past a post I don't agree with or I find offensive.

                      I understand that someone who is strictly AF is sensitive to posts discussing AL and I fully understand and respect that but seriously I don't see that line being crossed here.... this was posted in an appropriate place with an appropriate heading.

                      As a moderate drinker I often feel like I'm walking on eggshells around here, it really does not make one feel comfortable to post nor easy to open up.

                      Please lets not attack one another -- we are here to help and support each other no matter whether our goal is to abstain or moderate.
                      "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it"

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                        #26
                        Anything good about beer??

                        Abolutely agree with every word Eve and DeeBee.

                        Nothing to add.. the gals have covered it.

                        Moo
                        "The greatest thing in the world is not so much where we are,
                        but in what direction we are moving."

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                          #27
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                          Is there anything GOOG about beer?

                          Since the original article posted on this RESEARCH thread has been buried, I brought it closer to the surface so it can be read...Thank You.
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                          Is Beer the Healthiest Alcohol?




                          When we think of Oktoberfest, we think of beer. In America, it's arguably the only thing we know about this celebration. Since October is also when tailgating, er, football season kicks in, it may as well be national beer month. While this conjures up images of loud men with distended bellies, perhaps it's time we gave beer another look. A bevy of recent studies seems to indicate that beer may well be the healthiest alcohol we can drink.
                          This idea may take some getting used to. We tend to see wine drinkers as beautiful and refined. Scotch drinkers are dashing impresarios. Fabulous hipsters favor the martini. And beer, well, you don't exactly think Tony Horton or Shaun T. Whenever you see a fat guy in American popular culture, a beer is never too far away. Homer Simpson. Norm from Cheers. Willie from Bad Santa. Heck, we even call their slovenly looking stomachs "beer bellies."
                          Is all this vilification justified? Maybe not. According to England's Royal Society of Chemistry's (RSC) recent study, Beer: Quality, Safety and Nutritional Aspects
                          , beer is loaded with good things: proteins, vitamins, and antioxidants—even fiber. Taken in moderation, beer can offer a host of nutritional benefits.
                          A very, very brief history of beer in America


                          Beer has been brewed, in some form, in every culture for about as long as humans have inhabited the planet. But nowhere has it been more important from a cultural perspective than in Europe. When America was colonized, this European influence ensured that we'd become a nation of beer drinkers.
                          Originally, we were an ale country. When more Germans began arriving, in the mid-19th century, we started drinking more lagers. These lighter-style beers were more easily mass-produced and became the bastion of the early American breweries, run by guys like Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller.
                          The light—some would say watery—taste now associated with mass-produced American beer didn't come around until World War II, when brewers started substituting the traditional ingredients of beer with more available ingredients. Bland became synonymous with "American beer" until the rise of microbreweries in the late 20th century. Now Americans are privy to more varieties and a larger selection of beers than any place on earth. The epicenter of the beer world now seems to be Portland, Oregon, which is commonly referred to as "Beervana."
                          If beer is good, why are beer drinkers fat?


                          Before we discuss the benefits of beer, it's important to note that beer isn't some magical nectar of the gods. It requires moderation. The reason Homer and Norm have those bellies is that they don't just drink one beer, they drink a lot of beer. A six-pack (a seemingly perfectly round number for many beer drinkers) of pretty much any beverage in a day is going to have some negative side effects, just due to the number of calories consumed. An excess of beer can be especially detrimental for three reasons: carbonation, calories, and alcohol. Carbonation can neutralize stomach acids and this hampers digestion, so people trying to lose weight should avoid beer with meals. Calories, well, we all know what calories do. The average beer has 150 calories. When Homer drinks ten beers, he's consuming over 1,500 calories—before a donut even crosses his lips!
                          About 70 of those calories come from alcohol, an extremely controversial substance when it comes to its effects on the body. The over-consumption of alcohol is responsible for all sorts of nasty things, including cirrhosis of the liver and addiction. However, the RSC study, along with several other studies, indicates that two or three alcoholic drinks a day greatly reduce mortality rates, especially those involving cardiovascular disease.


                          That said, alcohol has also been found to inhibit muscular protein synthesis, which is the whole point of working out to begin with! So popping a cold one after that big basketball game or that Million Dollar Body fitness video probably isn't the best idea. Best to wait a few hours.
                          One final note on the negative effects of beer. Germany actually has beer purity laws (enacted in 1516) that guarantee that their brews are made of nothing but water, hops, yeast, and barley. We have no such laws in America, so you never know exactly what you're getting. Most of the bigger brewers put rice or corn in their beers to keep prices down. They can also load it with preservatives and chemicals. As a general rule, if you're looking for a healthy beer, the smaller the brewer, the better the beer. In fact, most small brewers proudly boast about their ingredients.
                          So what's so good about it, anyway?

                          Recent studies have been revealing many positive associations between beer and health. These include a lowered risk of cardiovascular disease, an improved mental state in women, and increases in life span. Drinking beer can help reduce homocysteine levels, lower triglycerides and LDL-cholesterol, and reduce blood clotting. An important note is that a constant here is moderate consumption, but that should go without saying. So let's take a closer look at just what's in beer that makes it healthy.
                          One might be inclined to lump excessive carbohydrates in with the list of beer's problems, but this just isn't the case. Although it does have some carbohydrates, the idea that each brewski is a carb bomb is a myth. Generally, there are 5 to 11 carbohydrate grams in one 12-ounce bottle of beer. Milk has 18 grams. Soft drinks have 36 grams.
                          Thanks to its malted barley, beer also contains protein, at the rate of 0.7 to 2.1 grams per bottle. While most of the larger proteins are lost during the brewing process, beer still contains all the essential amino acids.
                          Malted barley also gives beer plenty of vitamins, particularly B vitamins. A bottle of beer can contain 10 to 20 percent of the recommended daily allowance (RDA) of niacin, riboflavin, pyridoxine, and folate. But mass-produced beer lovers take note: beer's riboflavin comes from its barley, as well as its yeast. Beers brewed with barley substitutes such as rice (Budweiser, for example) contain fewer vitamins.
                          Another benefit of drinking beer is the water, which, among other things, prevents dehydration and helps maintain electrolyte balances. A bottle of beer has between 327 and 337 grams of water, as opposed to 12 ounces of wine, which is 302 to 323 grams water, or soft drinks, which have 315 grams of water.
                          Because good beer uses good, pure water, you'll also find a lot of minerals within, although which ones and how much depends entirely on the water's source. It's safe to say you'll usually find a good amount of potassium and magnesium, and plenty of calcium.
                          Both hops and malt add several phenolic compounds into the mix. Many of these compounds are the same as or similar to the antioxidants found in wine, tea, and several fruits and vegetables, all of which have been known to protect against cardiovascular disease. So it would appear that "The French Paradox" applies to ale drinkers as well.
                          So get out there and enjoy your Oktoberfest with the knowledge that you could be doing yourself some good. Just don't overdo it.
                          It is not how much we have, but how much we enjoy, that brings us happiness.
                          ~ Charles Spurgeon

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                            #28
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                            Sure Kid.....beer is good for skinny tots. It helps them put on weight and knocks them out early at night so that mommy and daddy can have a life ! Ha! IAD LOL.
                            ?Be who you are and say what you feel because
                            those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.?
                            Dr. Seuss

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                              #29
                              Anything good about beer??

                              my 2 cents , kid , if in moderation ,i beleive anything is good,if we pick up the research to look at it,were opening our selves to the world,ii dont beleive the other side is leaving of late,is there anyone at this site that doesnt go out,or watch tv ,has anyone ever had there arm twisted to drink.that's the benefit of this site,your opinion,anything can come up in research,i beleive emotions are meant to be released,i also beleive that's whats being done,dont like what you read,turn it off.like alcohol gyco

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                                #30
                                Anything good about beer??

                                Kid......given in moderate amounts to a skinny tot in the evenings, it can make them gain weight and help them go to sleep early. Thus giving Mommy and Daddy a life.....Ha! IAD LOL.
                                ?Be who you are and say what you feel because
                                those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.?
                                Dr. Seuss

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