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[Lavande]

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Happy Halloween Abbers,

If I was dressing up I would be Mueller

Sad news out of NYC this afternoon. A terrorist in a rented pickup truck plowed down 20 people riding bikes, killing 8 of them. The PD managed to stop him with a bullet to the abdomen he's alive & hospitalized. Can't wait to hear what group he's associated with, sad.

No one trick or treats out here in cow country but I know my grandkids are out in their neighborhoods collecting as much chocolate as possible!

Hello to mick, Det, Pauly, PQ & Pie! Hello to SF & anyone else happening by.
Have a nice night everyone!

Lav

[porqoui]

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mueller is a an investigator given the job of looking into the Russia /Trump link..ex Marine,ex director of the FBI and ex attorney..he is reputed to be as straight as a die ..and dunt take no hassle ...If I was Trump.and had skeletons in my closet I would be pretty worried!

So now all I see is Mueller everywhere, news, social media and of course the late night shows...YouTube

Pi...I would have loved to have read your reply but at least the theory works. Writing things out gives you a different perspective on things and you don't even have to show it to anyone. Saw this today and thought of you. The Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, and It Is Not What You Think | HuffPost

[TheSunFlower97]

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Car shopping....(we already bought a car)

Dealership:
While I could have provided you a price based on a 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport, this vehicle has multiple packages with a variety of different features

Me:
I appreciate that you think I didn't know this. Does it come in different colors too? If so, can you please send me a list of all the multiple color combinations---maybe we should just start there

Pi--I think the answer to your question is No. Just being sober isn't enough. But, the answer to what that is, is different for everyone. You don't get sober to be sober. You get sober so that you can have a life. Now that I have started living my life, I can't believe the decades that were stolen by a bottle. Finding what fulfills you isn't always an easy task.

I think younger generations get a bad rap. I don't neccessarily feel like as a group they feel entitled. I feel like it is neverending cycle. Each generation has something to say about the next. At the end of the day we are all human. Each generation has its pros and cons. I have never wished to grow up when my grandmother did or want to be a kid today.

I miss everything "news". I barely check FB and the news is banned in my house. I find it to be an energy suck. While what happened in NY is awful, truth is shitty things happen everyday. The flip side that the news misses---is that great things happen everyday. I like the "feeding the wolf story"....and I choose not to feed my wolf depression filled stories that are designed to make you sad and fearful. When that is what gets ratings by an large, I am not shocked by much that happens in this world.

[Mick]

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morning all...firstly our thoughts are with the families of those who were murdered in the terrorist attack in NYC, and to all those who suffer because of those scum through out the world.One of the crazy things that has been reported over here ...Britain had the biggest number pro rata of gthose who went to Syria to fight for IS..a lot were disillusioned and want to come back ....and we are accepting them..For me they gave up the right to live here when they went off to fight or do whatever the fk they were doing..sorry that gates closed..be interesting to see what USA does with the wounded terrorist...feed him to the lions is a good option.

yesterday morning ..there were about 4 cop vans and cars round here plus the chopper was overhead for ages ..seems like they were looking for man who had gone missing the night before with dementia...yep thats just what I thought ...but thankfully not so!!they found him with the thermal on the chopper..

brew time ..

hiya ppqp how are you then? that is a good article,really interesting but it doesnt actually answer the issue..I t deals with the one drug alone being addictive..coke..from the leaves of the coca plant ,through process it takes on various guises ...as powder as rocks as crystals and liquids..so to use the word coke immediately brings up visions of high rollers snorting through a big buck note..not so..
it also does comparators with Soldiers in Vietnam,rats with water bottles in plush surroundings etc..For me there are all sorts of things involved ,not just a label social deprivation..For me it involves things like escapism, boredom alternative excitement peer pressure stress,...the latest over here is the crew members on a nuclear submarine being tested and found +ve for coke .. and to say the Americans coming back from Vietnam very few needed detox etc?but how may turned to crime ,how many committed suicide broken marriages wrecked family lives etc?I hasten to add ...no t all.. A goodly number returned home to a "normal steady life!" so for me the title is misleading I thought it was going to give me a definitive answer ...not so. How did the bone density testing go ?

wow there you go...bet you are glad you put that up !

hiya Lav ...hows you then? not trick or treaters here either...need to keep the chocolate covered laxatives for next year!! I saw an orchid yesterday....bright blue!!I have never seen one before ..I will take a picture next time..here you go maam brew time ..


hiya pauly ...so how did you n spiderman get on ?did you get loadsa choklit?is today a blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I feel sick eating it day?

hiya pie ..hows you then ..would have been interesting to hear your take on "the next steps" and what it means to you..how is everything with you ...still doing the cond job?hows the k9 crew going?

hiya det ..you ok squire? good man ...

right then time to go........so I wish you all a day as good as yesterday if it was good ..if not then one better than the day that could have been good but wasnt good and could have been better so that tomorrow you can say I had a good day yesterday but today will be better than it was yesterday which in turn was better than the day before...easy??

sf dunno how I missed ya...apaloogies...think you are right ..it isnt fair to nail a whole generation as lazy I wants,one of the things is the advancement of technology but in tandem with that are all the things that stop them doing what we did as kidz ...health and safety,the law ,social constraints ,public opinion ..there are so many roolz to stop them ..

[paulywogg]

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Mae everybody,Mick I want to see the blue orchid! Sounds beautiful I didn't know who Mueller is either but I feel like Trump is basically bullet proof and no matter what they ever find he's always gonna still be prez Lou had fun last night but he's just too doggone shy! I just made sure he said thank you to people,can't believe its Nov already! Kind of sad how this year went by in a blur for me,not just al wise but brain wise,anyhoo much love to all and as Mick said have a great day

[Pie]

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Oh gosh, think I'll blame my lack of awareness of Mueller, on the World Series fever that's taken over the city. Final baseball game is tonight, so I'll be better prepared for a quiz on current events once that's done.

Mick, condo sales and leasing is slow right now, but the volunteer work for the owners association stays busy. This work is very challenging for me because it requires really good people skills, and a whole lot of empathy, exactly what my now sober self is struggling so badly with right now. It's as if I failed to get in line on the day that people skills were being handed out, and I sure didn't build any while drinking. PQ, the article you linked to resonated loudly with me; thank you so much for posting it! Excuse me if I over simplify, but this author's point is that people with shitty, disconnected lives are more likely to become addicted. This sounds true for me. SF, I agree with what you said too, that the point of getting sober is to be able to live our lives, which means something different for each of us. I guess what's next for me is to figure out how to form some connections and bonds with other people. Sheesh! I wonder if Amazon sells training wheels for this kinda thing?

Thanks, guys!!

[Lavande]

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Good evening Abbers,

I just realized it was Hump day today & it's almost over, haha!
I didn't exactly overwork myself today so everything is good

Pie, I'm glad you like that article & I came away with the same understanding. Being disconnected, isolated & lonely can lead us to addiction, it was true for me.
As far as developing 'people skills', it can be done with a bit of practice. I spent my life having to make conversation with sick patients & their families. I think after a while my mouth was just moving & my brain was asleep or somewhere else, ha ha! Now that I am no longer doing that kind of work I think my skills are getting a bit rusty. We can push ourselves to learn anything we want to learn

Mick & Pauly, you should come to Longwood Gardens where they have blue orchids & every color you can imagine. It's amazing the things that Mother Nature (and God if you believe) can do.
Well now we have #45 talking about not letting any 'foreigners' in the country again & wanting to send yesterday's terrorist to Guantanamo- for shit's sake
I guess we should also stop renting trucks & manufacturing firearms, etc, etc.
There have always been crazies in the world & there always will be crazies in the world unfortunately.

Hi PQ, any sign of snow up there yet??

Hello to SF, Det & anyone pooping in later.
Have a nice night one & all!

Lav

[paulywogg]

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Pooping in later Lav? Haha

[porqoui]

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MAE ALL...

Mick...glad they found the missing man but it's got to be unsettling to wake up to all the police and chopper, especially with what's been happening in the world these days. Sorry to mislead you with the title but I always enjoy your opinions. LOL I did find the article interesting and I do agree that there's lots more involved, one for me was loneliness. If I had a "bottle" I didn't feel alone. Bone density results were good as there's been no further deterioration. I've been asked to participate in a 4 year study on RA and I think I'm going to go for it. They want to figure out more genetic markers so they can determine which genes are linked to which arthritis aiding in earlier detection. Pressure check on my eye next week and then I'm finished with the medical field till next spring. :yay:

Pauly...I didn't know who Mueller was either, had to google him, then realized "Oh, that guy". I've got to disagree with you, nobody's bullet proof! It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Pi..."Mick, condo sales and leasing is slow right now, but the volunteer work for the owners association stays busy. This work is very challenging for me because it requires really good people skills, and a whole lot of empathy, exactly what my now sober self is struggling so badly with right now." When I read this I thought "Dry Drunk". It's a term used for people who have quit drinking but nothing else has changed. Not sure how to explain it but maybe you could google it?
"I guess what's next for me is to figure out how to form some connections and bonds with other people." I think your volunteer work is an excellent way to help with your struggles. Especially your dog rescue/sitting. I have always had a hard time forming bonds with people. Usually it's my coworkers but then the day ends at 5pm. You'll figure it out, I just know you will. :hug:

Dinner tonight is Mac&Cheese/Hot Dogs/tossed salad while I watch the snow storm come rolling in. Winter Storm Warnings in effect! Living close to work just went to #1 on my gratitude list. LOL Hope we all have a peaceful evening....:smile:PPQP

[porqoui]

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Pooping in later Lav? Haha

:harhar: Saw this first after I posted and thought What!

Lav...forecast was for flurries off and on all day but nothing till I left work at 5pm and here it comes! Will keep you posted.

[Determinator]

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Late greetings ABerooos! (pooped in late) ha!

another day of overtime is a good thing when yer broke, so can't complain here.

PPQ, that's a mighty odd combo for a salad

A couple years ago we had a chopper land in the property next door, I dunno what the deal was but
it scared the crap out of me. I just hate the sound of helicopters and always have, dunno why. I think it's the
low frequency 'thump thump' of the airfoils rotating.

Had friends over last night to jam out on the synth.. first time I've had folks over since divorce earlier this year.
I'm pushing hard to not isolate as I know it's a bad thing especially for people like me. Getting in some practice at least.
Pie, sounds like you're having my prob with being a hermit. Push....push.... just try something different.

Lav, whaddya reccon we send Pres Turnip to Guantanamo for a year or so? might bring his ego down a notch
or two.

time to wind down already, when you get up early that's how it goes.

be well loves and g'night

[TheSunFlower97]

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Mick--I agree that you can't lump a whole generation into a label. What these kids have to deal with these days is kinda crazy. There is a lot of pressure on them. Parents are way more involved and sometimes I am not sure that is a good thing. School is all over them to go to college. And when they do get jobs, the whole corporate culture has changed into a pressure cooker.

Pi--When I went to recovery meetings the story always started out the same...."I felt different. Disconnected. There was something off." Glennon Melton Doyle has a theory I resonated with, that we tend to be more sensitive. She has a Ted Talk. As for people skills, I get what you mean. Seems like when I start to get close to someone I kind of back off for a bit. I need breathing room. As for the general public and their problems I had little tolerance for. People would get all upset that the store didn't have their specific favorite flavor of rostiesterre chicken. One woman trying to get sympathy explained to me how stressed she would get when she planned to have a chicken for dinner and we didn't have it. I looked at her (after a long day of chicken hell) and said, "imagine the stress of a woman who in a third world country walks 10 miles for water for her family and gets there and there isn't any". Now I deal so little with people for work and I find that I am able to engage more in the relationships that matter. I related to what Glennon said, because people in genreral could drain the shit out of me....leaving me little energy for the ones that mattered. I also used to be way more sensitive to just general things in life. Now I can let them roll off me better, which is probably something I would have learned to do if I had not been numbed out. If I was checked out---either drunk, thinking of a drink or hungover---I suspect there are a lot of skills I missed . One thing that has been key for me is developing new friendships. Starting fresh. Meaning they didn't know the old me. I don't really hide any of it. Most know that I was a stressed out corporate executive that drank too much. They just don't see me in that light, because well, they didn't see it . I have a few select old friends, but for the most part I have let those go. I find as I evolve into new things, I don't have much in common with them. As the saying goes in recovery---the only thing that changes is that everything changes. Took me a long time to understand that one.

[Mick]

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mornin all how are we today then?all good I hope.weather over here isnt so bad, but Ive had a great start to the day...here is a cracker!I always carry a jerrican of diesel in the car for emergencies.Every now and again I rotate it ie top the car up with it,and then refill it ..today was that day..so off we go jerrican ,funnel filler with pipe on it ..emptied said can took funnel off ...pipe fell off ..now happily sitting in the fuel tank...tried getting to it ...nope norra chance...think Julie used words like richard cranium ..

brew time then folks....

hiya Det ...how are you doing friend?how did the jamming sesh go ...come up with any moosic ..or wiz it loadsa noise?at least you are doing right ..not being a hermit!!

hiya ppqp ....how goes it today with you ? all good I hope...did the snow come in....bet you will be glad to see the back of the docs for a while...like me avec le dentist!!

hiya Lav,how are you doing then?would love to see the orkidz at Longwood....you talked most of your life to ill folk..I talked most of mine to crims...you are right re 45 there is a lot of knee jerk (with him Im not so sure it just knee) oops thats me for hoosegow now....Its interesting tho all the countries that have travel bans on them..not one has"grown" an active terrorist to the US..yet they are all muslim countries..Friends of ours had to go through extra security measures to get into the states....they are not going back...and he is your equivalent of a police lieutenant and she is head of a section in a prison...they have 2 small children who loved Animal Kingdom, Disney etc...so apart from the bux side of it ..what are the children going to think ..we cant go back th the states because of all the political hassle ...what impression does that leave on the future generation? now times that by how many thousand you want ..the outcome ?less tourist $ coming in ,and a generation pissed off at Americans...because you know and I know that the whole population gets tarred with the same brush..

there you go improving my people skills through constructive written dialogue....now here a brew ...Im thirsty after writing all that..

hiya pie how are you?so you are struggling with people skills?Im better at talking to rabbits!!seriously though have a look at you tube ,,,there are lots of clips on there on how to improve listening and interpersonal skills...Ive just had a look

hiya pauly how are you today then ?all well with you?

hiya SF justa bout to post and yours pinged thru...it is 0825am here what time is it your way?

right peeps...have a good day...Im touching nuffink !!!!!

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[paulywogg]

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Mae everybody,my people/talking skills never get a break! Sometimes customers ask if my feet hurt after a shift I say feet are fine its my brain that gets tired after having to make small talk all day Lav I would love Longwood gardens,they have a garden area at the Bellagio but I hate going on the strip,one of these days I'll go check it out though,PQ,did you get snow? Glad the bone density test is good,Det,glad you had a nice visit with friends,waves to Pie,SF,Sam wishing us all a happy AF Thursday

[Determinator]

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Alcohol More Dangerous Than Heroin

Myth that Heroin More Dangerous Than Alcohol

The media attention given to heroin abuse has led to a misconception within the public. Most people now believe that heroin addiction is far more serious than alcoholism. This is a myth. When the overall harm caused to society is considered it has been found that alcohol is far more of a danger than heroin or crack. This claim has important implications because it means that legal drugs are causing more problems than illegal ones.

Evidence that Alcohol More Dangerous Than Heroin

Evidence that alcohol is more dangerous than heroin has been supplied by a recent study in the UK. Researchers used a number of criteria to determine the potential damage of different drugs including alcohol – it included such things as damage to health and problems with relationships. Each drug was given a danger score out of 100. Alcohol scored the highest with a danger of 72; heroin scored 55 and crack cocaine scored 54 – cannabis only scored 20.