Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

[kuya]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

mollyka;1461999 wrote: Ah good to see you honey!! I'm glad you got to the docs and that everything is 'out there' with him - it'll stand to you in the future - really:l

Well in the best possible way - hang onto that 'haunting' thought - cos that would prolly be the thing that would save you if you're at the 'almost' stage. It is so fucking hard to get back going again after a relapse - it's demoralising maybe to tell that to someone in the early days, but - I can't put my finger on it --- is it lack of motivation, is the chemical imbalance truly shot after a period of abstinence and then re-introducing it into our system, is it ....... I dunno --- WHAT is it??

Dunno either but it scared the crap outta me cos the quitting was pretty easy so I thought it would be a breeze to have a day off....yeah right.

I have read that when you quit you actually increase the GABA alcohol receptors in the brain so when you relapse it takes more booze for the high.

I definitely noticed in those eight months I drank more per night to get drunk.

SCARY FECKING STUFF

[kuya]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

That's why I find it hard to say to folks ' don't worry, it's JUST a slip' cos I know better.

And Questy, this does not apply to you cos you haven't yet quit for long periods......so don't panic :l

[kuya]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

IF ONLY I thought a 'slip' would be ' two AND A HALF' small beers :H:H

If I relapsed the local liquor stores would think Christmas had come early!

Two small beers ....... Feck off! :H:H

[JackieClaire]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

Well I'm covered in icing sugar but have managed to have a lurk. Keyboard's all sticky.

2 small beers :H

Hate the word 'slip', wish I could think of a better one though. I've always known from the second I've open my eyes I was going on a bender.

Right must away to work. Kettle on about 6ish.

[satz123]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

mollyka;1461999 wrote:
Well in the best possible way - hang onto that 'haunting' thought - cos that would prolly be the thing that would save you if you're at the 'almost' stage. It is so fucking hard to get back going again after a relapse - it's demoralising maybe to tell that to someone in the early days, but - I can't put my finger on it --- is it lack of motivation, is the chemical imbalance truly shot after a period of abstinence and then re-introducing it into our system, is it ....... I dunno --- WHAT is it??

Right I'm going to use an analogy here - shoot me
What you describe Molls is like Weight Watchers.

The first time you go - it's all guns blazing - it's new - an adventure and normally great results.
Same again when temptation hits - you say 'ah well I did it before I can do it again' - so off the 'wagon' you go.

Next time you cannot get it work - or very little -
After that it's impossible to stay on track using the same method - believe me I know & I 've seen it with so many people too.

Like you Molls I'm not sure why that is - a kind of 'I know it all' mentality ?
Don't know about the chemical imbalance end of things with AL - but the 'mental' process is I think similar

PS
:wavin: QUESTYPANTS !!!!

[Recluse]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

kuya;1461986 wrote: My Dr is an alkie so kinda the blind leading the blind drunk ! :H:H

In this country doctors come near the top of the table of professions with the highest risk of alcoholism, I think, kuya.

I've been having a read of that website in your signature. I was wondering to what extent you'd tried putting the advice in it into practice yourself and, if so, what did you find?

Hello to everyone else :hallo:

[Recluse]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

JackieClaire;1462014 wrote: Hate the word 'slip', wish I could think of a better one though. I've always known from the second I've open my eyes I was going on a bender.

Right must away to work. Kettle on about 6ish.

My counsellor used to distiguish between a lapse and a relapse, Jackie. A lapse was a single, one-off, drinking occasion, while a relapse was a full blown return to drinking regularly.

[porqoui]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

JackieClaire;1462014 wrote:
Hate the word 'slip', wish I could think of a better one though.

How about BRAIN FART!

:hallo: Morning Army

[kuya]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

Recluse;1462019 wrote: In this country doctors come near the top of the table of professions with the highest risk of alcoholism, I think, kuya.

I've been having a read of that website in your signature. I was wondering to what extent you'd tried putting the advice in it into practice yourself and, if so, what did you find?

Hello to everyone else :hallo:

Well apart from the AA bias I love this article.

I practice EVERYTHING in it, all the supplements, very little sugar.

I honestly think that the fact that I used this stuff well before I quit accounts for how easy it was. I had NO withdrawals form a half of vodka a day for 23 years and NO cravings.

I don't know what else to put it down to except having done loads of repair and damage limitation whilst still drinking

[Recluse]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

kuya;1462028 wrote: Well apart from the AA bias I love this article.

I practice EVERYTHING in it, all the supplements, very little sugar.

I honestly think that the fact that I used this stuff well before I quit accounts for how easy it was. I had NO withdrawals form a half of vodka a day for 23 years and NO cravings.

I don't know what else to put it down to except having done loads of repair and damage limitation whilst still drinking

That's interesting. I've been trying it for only about 3 days and I already feel a tiny bit stronger, for want of a better word. I think it's too soon to say whether it's really helping, but I intend to try it for at least 3 months. I can understand the logic of what the author is saying.

Hi ppqp

[porqoui]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

Morning Molls...don't say that "S" word.

It's been around +7 (44) for about a week. Alot of the snow gone but they're threatening us with more on the weekend. We usually get most of our snow end Feb early Mar.

x-post :hallo: Reecee.

[kuya]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

Recluse;1462040 wrote: That's interesting. I've been trying it for only about 3 days and I already feel a tiny bit stronger, for want of a better word. I think it's too soon to say whether it's really helping, but I intend to try it for at least 3 months. I can understand the logic of what the author is saying.

Hi ppqp

What are you using? I got the supplements from biorecovery in the states. It is the company associated with Joan Larsen who wrote 'seven weeks to sobriety'.

They do a package which is more comprehensive than River pharmacy, plus the book is good for working out the type of drinker you are. And they cover supplements for depression etc. excellent company too.

[pingu1997]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

sorry to have butted in and created a new discussion....

my thing is this, I drank because things triggered me, depression, shit going on, difficulties at home... and before I knew it I was knee deep in drink every day starting as early as I could, sometimes at 345pm when I got the kids home
OK so I stopped, it wasn't easy, but I did it. And there were times I really wanted a drink, but those times got less and less, and recently I even reportedly said that I had hardly thought about drinking in weeks, feeling great and really knocking it out of my head
But the triggers, it seems, never go away. And last week was a perfect example. I'm run down, Lucy is driving me to despair, and 2 specific incidents last Thurs really pissed me off, one being about some gt bullying my son. In the old days, whilst sitting crying on the sofa, I would have turned to a bottle of vodka and necked a few mouthfuls of that just to calm down...
So last Thurs, I am sitting crying on the sofa, having been really pisssed off by happenings in the day, and for some inexplicable reason, the urge to drink just hit me. And I cried more and felt sick. Then I thought No-one would know, I need this, I can't think of another way to calm down
Then the clear side of my head remembered that I nearly have 2 years sober and this would be madness. The urge had never been so strong. I was really on the edge....
So I did what I knew was the right thing, I reached out to people, anyone who would say don't be so fucking stupid, and the support in the end came from my best friends and a group of random people on Facebook. Talked and chatted until I had calmed down until the urge went away
I'm still feeling well screwed up about it, even nearly a week later.

I guess I'm saying 2 things, it is an ongoing battle and even nearly 2 years off drinking the triggers still show their ugly faces now and again
Secondly the best thing you can do is seek help, not run away from it
I would not be here now typing if I had opened that bottle last Thursday...

Much love
P3

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Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

mollyka;1462029 wrote: Hi an bye Jacks - have a good day!!


Yep, achully I s'pose it is the same to a certain extent - and maybe the key sentence is when you say 'impossible to stay on track using the same method' -- I do think we have to up the ante 2nd or 3rd time round - there have to be stronger or more attractive goals ...... I s'pose that's where the 'life change' bit comes into it?
Yo Reccie - how's you today? My doc back when I got married first was an alcoholic - like you couldn't miss it - he stank of it. But he was a WONDERFUL doctor - real old school - didn't send you off to a specialist because he couldn't be arsed to deal with things he could handle - he was to doctors what Denzel Washington was to pilots I s'pose --- lovely lovely man, but had to retire - and I s'pose rightly so cos peoples lives were in his hands.

So much for the trip to see Jamie, Joe's gone off walking with his car keys in his pocket and his car is blocking mine:upset: Anyway rang Laura and she's ok with it and I invited them all for big posh dinner on Sunday --- should be better by then anyhows!!!

I'm fine today, thanks molly. How're you? Are you feeling any better at all or still very drained?

Shame about your trip to see jamie not happening. Is it too far to walk or cycle?

As far as the dieting is concerned, I think the key thing is to make sure that once you've got your weight under control, you have to nip any weight gain in the bud early on. It's much easier to not put the weight on than it is to get rid of it.

[Recluse]

Army Thread Wednesday 13th February

kuya;1462047 wrote: What are you using? I got the supplements from biorecovery in the states. It is the company associated with Joan Larsen who wrote 'seven weeks to sobriety'.

They do a package which is more comprehensive than River pharmacy, plus the book is good for working out the type of drinker you are. And they cover supplements for depression etc. excellent company too.

Mostly I'm using stuff I get from the supermarket. A multivitamin/multimineral supplement, a separate zinc supplement, omega 3 fish oil, and I've sent of for a good probiotic from a company in the Netherlands cos it's cheaper there. Oh and a magnesium + L-tryptophan supplement that satzy recommended for sleep - ubermag.